Smith: Raptors Still Interested in Signing Delfino
Old 07-30-2009, 10:21 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Good question.

I think there’s still a little bit of interest in getting Delfino under contract on a one-year deal but the Belinelli move will make it a bit easier to take if those Delfino talks fall apart.

No word on when we’ll get resolution one way or the other but, again, I’m guessing soon.

Personally, while I like Delfino’s game and his ability to play a couple of positions well, I’m not sure there’s room now for him.

The big argument against is that with Delfino, you’ll have a glut of swingmen all about the same and it could cause some havoc with minutes and rotations and the like.

That has to be a bit of a concern but you also have to realize that having players on one-year deals, like Antoine Wright and Delfino if that’s what they do and Belinelli if they don’t pick up that option, tends to make players conform a wee bit lest they not get another deal.
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Old 07-30-2009, 10:25 AM   #2 (permalink)
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If they sign Delfino now I think he would have to be the backup sf at best.

Jose/Jack/Ukic/Banks
Belli/Derozan/Douby
Turk/Delfino/Wright
Bosh/Evans/??
Bargs/Rasho/POB

Thats not too bad at all, lots of depth, if we could cut 1 spot by moving ukic or something for a pick and signing a minimum pf.
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Old 07-30-2009, 10:27 AM   #3 (permalink)
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I love Delfino, I would take him over Marco, but for that money and already having so many guards, I dont see much sense in signing him. Back up Hedo?
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Old 07-30-2009, 10:31 AM   #4 (permalink)
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I don't want him. No need for him now since we got a scorer like him in Belli. I think what we need now is a SF for the minimum
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Old 07-30-2009, 11:08 AM   #5 (permalink)
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i like Delfi so i'm mixed about this one... but if we could s&t him for a PF or SF i'm cool with that. if we get him, he'll be SF/SG combo??
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Old 07-30-2009, 11:11 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Will not happen.
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Old 07-30-2009, 11:18 AM   #7 (permalink)
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aCTUALLY, wonder if this will pave the way for Joey to come back?
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Old 07-30-2009, 11:24 AM   #8 (permalink)
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aCTUALLY, wonder if this will pave the way for Joey to come back?
It's very hard to imagine BC giving Graham another chance.

I'd say he is going to sign Rasho, officially introduce Beli (oh, wait, Bargs and him are playing in Europe now, right?) and then leave for a vacation along with all his staff. At the end of August, there will be a lot of cheap serviceable combo-forwards available at minimum salary begging to be picked up by a team...
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Old 07-30-2009, 11:28 AM   #9 (permalink)
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No way Gaham comes back...
I still think that Belinelli is a huge upgrade, but we still lack some slashing, rebounding and defense. Delfino could bring it all, but for much less money now. It's up to him. If payes his 500k opt out clause and get his payments, there's 90% of chances of him ending up here (but for much less than he wanted)
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Old 07-30-2009, 12:07 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Joey is done, Carlos will now have to alter his outrageous demand for 5 mil... he is not required at this point...

his good year was 2 years ago and he has been playing in Russia for goodness sake! I just don't see him being the player he was as he was the best option on a very bad bench.. that is no longer an issue with this lineup...

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There's no need for Delfino now.
Between Calderon, Hedo, Jack, DeRozan, Belinelli and Wright there aren't enough minutes to go around. Ukic, Douby and Banks likely end up in suits.
Add to the fact that Bosh and Bargs are the primary scorers and there's going to be an issue with players getting enough shots.
The last thing the team needs now is another chucker looking to get his.
The final roster spot should go to another frontcourt player. Someone who'll rebound and can fill in a bit if one of the bigs gets hurt.
Maybe Pops?
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There's no need for Delfino now.
Between Calderon, Hedo, Jack, DeRozan, Belinelli and Wright there aren't enough minutes to go around. Ukic, Douby and Banks likely end up in suits.
Add to the fact that Bosh and Bargs are the primary scorers and there's going to be an issue with players getting enough shots.
The last thing the team needs now is another chucker looking to get his.
The final roster spot should go to another frontcourt player. Someone who'll rebound and can fill in a bit if one of the bigs gets hurt.
Maybe Pops?
Pops is definitely a possibility.
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We could sign Delfino to snag ourselves an asset and trade him to address the wee lack of depth at 4/5.

If that doesn't work out, do we not still have a portion of the MLE left after signing Jack? 1.5 maybe? Don't see why that couldn't be put towards a serviceable backup big.
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Old 07-30-2009, 12:37 PM   #14 (permalink)
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I suppose a sign and trade of Delfino would make sense, depending on the player in return and the salary coming back.
I just don't see many teams lining up to offer much for the guy though. He's unrestricted now as it is and there hasn't been much talk of interest from anyone but Toronto.
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It'd have to be a dirt cheap contract, 1-2 million per, for teams to start biting I'd think. Carlos won't take that kind of money. My bet is Carlos is playing in Russia next season.
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my guess is carlos is now realizing that hardballing bc was stupid!!! welcome to moscow carlos.. hope the rubles are worth something over there still...
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will we still retain his Bird Rights if he does go back to Russia??
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i don't think so.. i am sure snooch or trane know the answer...
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does no one do their own research anymore...?

anyways, in my understanding, you only lose a players bird rights if you waive them in the 3rd (or later) year of the 3 year waiting period or if they sign with another team as a free agent. i suppose it all depends on whether or not we waive him/renounce his rights or whether or not we match an offer from another team in the nba. if he goes to russia without getting any offers from another nba team, we wouldn't have to sign him and we would keep his rights. that's my understanding anyways.

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The basic idea is that a player must play for the same team for three seasons for his team to gain Bird rights (two seasons for Early Bird rights). It can be a single three-year contract, a series of three one-year contracts, or any combination that adds up to three seasons (two for Early Bird). However there are a number of complications:

When a player is traded, his new team inherits his Bird rights. For example, if a player signs a three-year contract, plays two and a half seasons with that team, and is traded at the trade deadline in the third season, then his new team owns full Bird rights following the third season.
The player must complete his contract immediately prior to becoming a free agent, which essentially means he can't have been waived. If he signs a series of contracts, then this only applies to the last contract. If a team signs a player and waives him after one game, signs and waives him after one game again the next year, and in the third year signs him and keeps him the entire season, then they will have full Bird rights following the third season.
The clock resets when the player changes teams by signing as a free agent. An interesting case occurred in the 2008-09 season with Antonio McDyess, who had played exclusively for the Pistons since the 2004-05 season. In 2008-09 the Pistons traded him to the Nuggets, the Nuggets waived him, and he re-signed with the Pistons. Even though he only signed contracts with the Pistons and he completed his last contract without being waived, his Bird clock reset when he re-signed with the Pistons because he changed teams as a free agent.
The first season of the three-year tenure doesn't have to be a full season. If a player is waived and signs with another team in year one, then plays with his new team for two additional seasons, his new team will have full Bird rights following the third season.
If a player is waived and is claimed by another team before he clears waivers, then it is treated as a trade and does not affect his Bird clock.
10-Day contracts (see question number 65) don't count toward Bird rights.
If a team renounces a player (see question number 33), they can't use the Bird exception to re-sign him for one year.
all of this comes from the faq page that is linked through jakkal's cap status thread. it is also the second link that comes up in google (after wiki) when you search 'bird rights'. i know nothing more than most of you guys about the cba. i just read.

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thanks trane.. as always, you provide insight to the business of the game!!
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