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Old 06-25-2012, 06:43 PM   #1 (permalink)
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The 20-year-old Valanciunas, the fifth pick in the 2011 NBA draft, will join the Raptors as soon as his obligations to the Lithuanian national team are done this summer. And when he does, Stefanski was adamant that he’ll come in not only as highly-touted by Raptors fans starving for a young player to rally around but someone who will live up to his billing.

“He’s not going to come in the first day and take over, it’s going to take him a while, but they’re going to see a kid who is 7-foot, who’s long, who doesn’t mind contact,” Stefanski said.

“When they played the other night against Great Britain, it was hand-to-hand combat on every possession. It was terrible, there could have been a foul called every bounce of the ball.

“This kid didn’t back down once, that’s what I liked about him the most. He doesn’t back down against older men who are pushing and shoving and hitting him.”

The impending arrival of Valanciunas has to be playing into Toronto’s preparation for Thursday’s NBA draft.

Stefanski reiterated a commonly held opinion that Valanciunas would be the consensus No. 2 pick this year behind Kentucky’s Anthony Davis and adding Valanciunas to the roster might allow Toronto to take someone at No. 8 who is a longer-term prospect rather than someone who can contribute right away.

“To take a flyer?” wondered Stefanski. “I don’t know at eight there is a flyer. I think all the names we are considering, and we have a list of them, there’s no one there I would consider a flyer because I don’t think anyone in that range is a flyer right now.”

But it might be easier to take someone with potential because they expect they’ll already have a rookie who can help.

And, according to Stefanski, someone whom the fans will rally around.

“They’ll see a guy that they are going to put their arms around and get excited about,” he said. “People in Toronto, from what I’ve seen so far, they want guys who are going to hustle, they want grinders — in hockey they call them muckers or whatever it is they call them — this kid’s that kind of guy.

“He plays extremely hard, they’re going to root for him because they’re going to like him and they’re going to like his personality. There’s not much not to like about this kid.”
Toronto Raptors brass ?excited? about impending arrival of Jonas Valanciunas - thestar.com
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Old 06-25-2012, 06:45 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I don't like the hype JoVa is getting. I'm going to keep my expectations low for next season so I don't get disappointed.
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Old 06-25-2012, 06:48 PM   #3 (permalink)
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it's wierd how they said we'd take a long term pick this year because val is already going to contribute. isn't it the otherway around? isn't val the long term project? what centre have we seen come into the league at 18,19,20 and dominate right away? a select few. I agree with DK, i don't like this one bit.

but It's thestar twisting stefanski's words to mean something they're not. the media's at fault here, not our staff.
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Old 06-25-2012, 06:57 PM   #5 (permalink)
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i don't understand why the Raptors keep saying that jonas would be a second overall pick if he was in this years draft,

its puting pressure on a player for no reason, so when raptor fans go to watch him we'll expect him to be the second best rookie this year, and if he doesn't play like that its going to put some serious pressure from the media and fans

and to be honest i don't know if he would be the 5th pick this year in the draft, i like t rob, beal, mkg, barnes, does jonas valcuinuis go ahead of them in the draft doubt it

the only reason why chad ford even said that was becuase how dissapointing players were in there freshman year, they were all considered stars going into college and all dissapointed,
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it's wierd how they said we'd take a long term pick this year because val is already going to contribute. isn't it the otherway around? isn't val the long term project? what centre have we seen come into the league at 18,19,20 and dominate right away? a select few. I agree with DK, i don't like this one bit.

but It's thestar twisting stefanski's words to mean something they're not. the media's at fault here, not our staff.
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i don't understand why the Raptors keep saying that jonas would be a second overall pick if he was in this years draft,

its puting pressure on a player for no reason, so when raptor fans go to watch him we'll expect him to be the second best rookie this year, and if he doesn't play like that its going to put some serious pressure from the media and fans

and to be honest i don't know if he would be the 5th pick this year in the draft, i like t rob, beal, mkg, barnes, does jonas valcuinuis go ahead of them in the draft doubt it

the only reason why chad ford even said that was becuase how dissapointing players were in there freshman year, they were all considered stars going into college and all dissapointed,


Media hope and exaggeration is most likely right. Take it with a grain of salt though as JV is undoubtedly is. As for pressure, let's be honest about this regarding JV. There is absolutely nothing the Raps or the media can say that will rattle JV as what the Lithuanian media has done. Giant billboards, front page news when he farts, the great Sabonis heir, banging Sabonis' daughter (whose very hot mind you), international coverage long before he hit the U18 let alone the U19 and then the National team. Seriously guys, relax As for being the number 2 pick absolutely f'n right he would be and imo one more years' growth he might go #1 - JV is proven with still great upside, AD not so much.
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JV is going to get mauled by some of the bigger post players in the NBA.

I have faith that in a few seasons he'll be one of the best, but next year he's going to be pushed around a lot.

He's still a project, if he has anywhere near the rookie year that Thomas Robinson is going to have I will be very surprised.
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it's wierd how they said we'd take a long term pick this year because val is already going to contribute. isn't it the otherway around? isn't val the long term project? what centre have we seen come into the league at 18,19,20 and dominate right away? a select few. I agree with DK, i don't like this one bit.

but It's thestar twisting stefanski's words to mean something they're not. the media's at fault here, not our staff.
Does he need to dominate in order to contribute?

And how are Stefanski's words twisted? It's just some simple quotes. And it's true that if he likes contact, and doesn't back down, he'll be able to start off with fewer struggles.
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Hey man, I watched all the vids on Raps TV, I read everything I could lately about JV. The reason Stefanski, and BC and Casey are all over this guy is because he is exactly what they are saying. People here know I'm not quick to jump on players wagons, especially rookies, but the guy plays pro ball, he's a member of one of the better international teams on the planet, the US media likes him, other GM's seem to be high on him, I mean really, he's likely a front runner for ROTY as it sits now.

I'm personally thrilled that they seem so excited about him. They aren't trying to sell him to anyone, they are legitimately excited. It's great so have that in our City, and on our team.
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JV is going to get mauled by some of the bigger post players in the NBA.

I have faith that in a few seasons he'll be one of the best, but next year he's going to be pushed around a lot.

He's still a project, if he has anywhere near the rookie year that Thomas Robinson is going to have I will be very surprised.
wow.

1. He isn't a project, he's a legit top end Blue chip rookie.
2. He already plays with men, big strong, mean guys, and he isn't getting mauled by them.
3. US players don't like playing European teams because they are too tough and rough.

The thing JV has to get passed is the speed of the NBA game, and the BS calls he is going to have go against him on a nightly basis. Once he weathers those two storms, he will be fine. But no, JV is far from a "project", Drummond is a project.
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i don't understand why the Raptors keep saying that jonas would be a second overall pick if he was in this years draft,

its puting pressure on a player for no reason, so when raptor fans go to watch him we'll expect him to be the second best rookie this year, and if he doesn't play like that its going to put some serious pressure from the media and fans

and to be honest i don't know if he would be the 5th pick this year in the draft, i like t rob, beal, mkg, barnes, does jonas valcuinuis go ahead of them in the draft doubt it

the only reason why chad ford even said that was becuase how dissapointing players were in there freshman year, they were all considered stars going into college and all dissapointed,
Well, maybe the Pressure is not that bad thing at all and spurs the player to work harder every day. JV had his share of preassure since young age, but all the time he dealt with it. By playing in various competitions,by winning gold medals for youth team.
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pressure is not good, occasionally, it can push a young player to overachieve, but a lot more often it will cause more harm than good.

Unfortunately, it comes with the territory in Toronto and all big media markets. We may not be perceived to be on par with NY and LA, but Toronto probably is a top 4 media market in US, even for a lesser team like the Raptors there are a ton of media people writing about.

And there are only so many topics to write about day in and day out, so eventually they will return to the same topic over and over. Hopefully it won't harm JV too much.
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What harm will it do? And when are they allowed to experience it?
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wow.

1. He isn't a project, he's a legit top end Blue chip rookie.
2. He already plays with men, big strong, mean guys, and he isn't getting mauled by them.
3. US players don't like playing European teams because they are too tough and rough.

The thing JV has to get passed is the speed of the NBA game, and the BS calls he is going to have go against him on a nightly basis. Once he weathers those two storms, he will be fine. But no, JV is far from a "project", Drummond is a project.
1. He is a project. He's not like a Drummond that doesn't have the ability, but does have the body. He's the opposite, he has the ability but doesn't have the body yet (like I said, he'll improve on this and eventually he'll be one of the best at his position).

2. He already gets pushed around by good back to the basket players in Europe. That's only going to get worse in the NBA.

3. Playing dirty has nothing to do with just getting over powered.

Jonas would probably be more successful at PF initially, because he has shown that he has the smarts and quickness to guard stretch 4s like Dirk. Also, I don't think that Jonas is going to be playing too many minutes against certain match ups (guys like Dwight, Z-Bo, Cousins are going to be very tough for him).

Because of avoiding certain match ups, and because the PF position is crowded, I don't expect Jonas to be playing starter's minutes straight away, and I don't expect much of a ROY case for him at the end of the year.

Thomas Robinson, if drafted by Charlotte, will be starting from day 1 at PF, and looks ready to contribute in a big way. He's my pick for ROY. My other ROY candidate is Lillard. If he lands in a good situation and is the starting PG from the season opener (maybe Portland or Sacramento) he could also make a run at ROY.

I do appreciate the use of full sentences from SJ. Thanks for the effort! (On second thought, is that really you?)

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JV's game will translate very well to the NBA.... he's no more a project than Ed Davis or Demar Derozan.
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I do appreciate the use of full sentences from SJ. Thanks for the effort! (On second thought, is that really you?)
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