Smith: Raps first three choices were already gone by 8
Old 06-29-2012, 07:56 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Hereís the truth of the matter: You donít know and I donít know and they donít know for certainty whether Terrence Ross is going to be a prospect or a suspect and none of the hand-wringing or name calling is going to change that fact.

Itís probably going to be late 2013 or early 2014 before we know what he really is and thatís entirely understandable.

Could there have been a better pick?

I donít know.

Sure, Austin Rivers was the flavour of the moment, in part because of name recognition, in part because people had seen him play on TV, in part because heíd be touted a few places.

But, as Dwane explained in the story, they didnít think he could shoot the ball well enough right now to be the pick and he needs the ball in his hands to be effective and that wasnít going to happen in a million years if they hit a free agency home run with You Know Who From Phoenix.

Sure, Andre Drummond was on everyoneís mind because he was kind of driving the draft as far as these fellows were concerned. But heís also a centre, the last thing anyone wanted was two rookie centres to break in during the same season.

And, no, there was no ďtake Drummond and trade himĒ possibilities; no one wanted him that badly and it made no sense to take him without a surefire guarantee because if you got stuck with him, you were screwed. Yes, they tried; no, it didnít work. Get over it.

Look, they tell me Terrence Ross can shoot and he can defend and heís athletic and a good kid. All probably true.

He was also the consensus pick among the coaches and executives in the room, Iím told, for what thatís worth.

Look, there wasnít a home run to be hit in this draft as it turned out; they had a list of three, those three were gone so it was time to move to the next name. That was Terrence Ross, for good or bad or indifferent and weíll let you know sometime late next season whether it was a good pick, a bad pick, an indifferent pick.

It was a blah draft all around; it was a blah night around these parts. But they did what they thought was best for real and well thought out reasons; who knows if they will eventually be proved right.

But the truth of the matter is, they werenít going to get a franchise changer at No. 8 even if they got one of those three other guys; the real work of keeping this team going forward begins with free agency on Sunday.

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Old 06-29-2012, 08:04 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Old 06-29-2012, 08:14 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Nice to reaffirm and I agree - not like they werent open to trade. At the end, despite the usual carried away rantings here the Raps were not going to fix the entire team with some absurd lopsided trade - fun yes but reality not so much. The plan is still the plan, get a vet for SF and upgrade the PG if the opportunity presents itself<cough> Nash. There will be lots still to happen I'm sure.
BTW - wouldn't a versatile player like Ross on a rookie contract fit in nicely with the Bulls, Philly or Memphis?
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Old 06-29-2012, 08:23 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Toronto has to live with Terrence Ross and that's fine,but there's no excuse for Colangelo,Casey and Stefanski's passive approach.

I know it's not a given that just because you want to move up in the draft that another team will be willing to conduct a trade but if they felt any of those three players(Waiters, Barnes or Lillard) would've helped their team significantly they should've aggressively targeted them by moving up. I don't know for sure but it doesn't seem like the Raptors did,especially when it was widely known that the Bobcats and Kings were actively shopping there picks. if it was a difference of a 2nd round pick and/or Ed Davis,they should've given it up.
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Toronto has to live with Terrence Ross and that's fine,but there's no excuse for Colangelo,Casey and Stefanski's passive approach.

I know it's not a given that just because you want to move up in the draft that another team will be willing to conduct a trade but if they felt any of those three players(Waiters, Barnes or Lillard) would've helped their team significantly they should've aggressively targeted them by moving up. I don't know for sure but it doesn't seem like the Raptors did,especially when it was widely known that the Bobcats and Kings were actively shopping there picks. if it was a difference of a 2nd round pick and/or Ed Davis,they should've given it up.
There's nothing to support that premise other than your frustration.
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There's nothing to support that premise other than your frustration.
Fair enough,

I was frustrated but it's not about that. I'm content with Ross,I just don't like the talk about they wanted/eyed those three guys. Even if it's a lie,i rather hear them say " Ross is the guy we wanted all along" because I feel they could've acquired one of those 3 guys by moving up but instead played the "let's hope one of them fall in our lap" game,and they lost!
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Old 06-29-2012, 08:52 AM   #7 (permalink)
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BC on the fan590 right now said they had two possible deals on the table for #8 for veteran type players and that the talks will be ongoing for those deals in the next 48hrs.

This is why I'm saying Lowry is still on the table, and the ball is in Nash's court in the next 4-5 days.
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Old 06-29-2012, 09:03 AM   #8 (permalink)
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BC on the fan590 right now said they had two possible deals on the table for #8 for veteran type players and that the talks will be ongoing for those deals in the next 48hrs.

This is why I'm saying Lowry is still on the table, and the ball is in Nash's court in the next 4-5 days.
at 38, Nash is nothing more than a stop-gap (and costly) solution...i will be highly disappointed if he is signed here

Lowry (at 26) makes much more sense...imho
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Old 06-29-2012, 09:11 AM   #9 (permalink)
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at 38, Nash is nothing more than a stop-gap (and costly) solution...i will be highly disappointed if he is signed here

Lowry (at 26) makes much more sense...imho
ICAM, and he's a lot cheaper.
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If Lowry is still on the table then what do you think the new deal would Be? Ross included in the deal?
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If Lowry is still on the table then what do you think the new deal would Be? Ross included in the deal?
Not sure, but I think they want to keep Ross. I would say 2013 1st (protected) + one of Davis, Amir, JJ, Kleiza. Something like that makes sense.
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Waiters, Lillard, Barnes.

In case nobody figured that one out.
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Y'all are underestimating the effect Nash has on players, even at the age of 38.
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BC on the fan590 right now said they had two possible deals on the table for #8 for veteran type players and that the talks will be ongoing for those deals in the next 48hrs.

This is why I'm saying Lowry is still on the table, and the ball is in Nash's court in the next 4-5 days.
Not entirely sure about Lowry but I agree. Someone else said it well, if FA period started at the same time as the draft we would see the end result quicker. Ross and Dragic would look great but our need is more SF. I think Nash will be here and we'll trade for that SF. I would actually prefer trading DD or Ed than Ross tbt.
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Y'all are underestimating the effect Nash has on players, even at the age of 38.
No we're not. If anything he will change the teams losing mentality to competitive and positive. That's a legacy I want Nash to leave.
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Nash led his team to 10 more wins than ours. In the West. With less talent.

And who's to say that Lowry ain't a stop gap? Can he grow...sure. Who's to say he'll succeed here. Who's the say he won't be asking for 13 million a year once he's 28 and an UFA.

Nash's track record speaks for itself. I think he's the only option. All our guys need a role model, someone to show them what being a winning basketball player is like.
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No we're not. If anything he will change the teams losing mentality to competitive and positive. That's a legacy I want Nash to leave.
Indeed !!!

I would be fine with Nash, if we can grab a young pg whom need a change of situation. Nash can mentor him.
if we don't get nash, go hard for a SF.
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If we were serious about signing Nash, we should've kept Barbosa.
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If we were serious about signing Nash, we should've kept Barbosa.
Who knows, maybe we are getting him back. AFAIK he is not getting much interest from Indiana
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Barbosa is a free agent aswell. If he can be had cheap and reunited with Nash on Sunday, that would be awesome.
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