Smith: MLSE should convince Embry to take over the Raps
Old 05-21-2013, 09:15 AM   #1 (permalink)
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If I’m Maple Leaf Sports and Entertainment, I’d certainly give it my best shot to convince Wayne Embry to become the team’s president, let he and Ed Stefanski run the show with Dwane Casey and see where we go.

You cannot imagine the respect with which Wayne is regarded around the NBA; he is an icon and a legend and has done everything imaginable in the game. Cannot be understated.

I know for a fact he loves Toronto – he once told me that outside of championship seasons in Boston this has been the most enjoyable stop of his long and illustrious career – and in eight years here he knows where all the bodies have buried and has walked many a minefield.

He massaged the Rob Babcock-Sam Mitchell relationship, he’s been a sage to everyone who works at the joint for the past half decade and when this thing was headed entirely off the rails last December, you know who was here to have meetings and private conversations? Wayne.

He knows the game, the people in the game, he knows people and how to get the most of out them, how to make diverse personalities work for a common cause while putting aside any differences of opinion.

He’s a presence.

I don’t know who is going to be hurt the most in this changeover, how it shakes out cannot be even guessed at for certain right now, but if Tim Leiweke has a brain in his head, he will not – cannot – let a valuable resource and a great man like Wayne Embry get away.

And if the board and ownership and whoever take the time to try to convince Embry to take on an even more significant role right now, that will be the best time they can spend.
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Old 05-21-2013, 09:21 AM   #2 (permalink)
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I like Embry. He traded Rose freeing up Mitchell to coach.
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He also traded one of the greatest C's of all time in his prime for spare parts.
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Old 05-21-2013, 09:33 AM   #4 (permalink)
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I liked the A-Train as much as the next guy - but I'm not sure I would call him one of the greatest of all time.
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Old 05-21-2013, 09:57 AM   #5 (permalink)
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He also traded one of the greatest C's of all time in his prime for spare parts.
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/02/20/sp...mbry.html?_r=0

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We were not above trying to ply Abdul-Jabbar with fine dining and expensive gifts in an effort to change his mind, but in the end, I knew that to avoid franchise devastation, our only option was to trade him. In a year, he could leave as a free agent and we would get nothing in return.
And then he promptly forgot the lesson he learned from it and let BC let Bosh walk away.

No thanks.
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Old 05-21-2013, 10:17 AM   #6 (permalink)
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More useless moaning from Doug Smith. The BC of reporters.
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Old 05-21-2013, 10:19 AM   #7 (permalink)
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Wasn't he part of the Carter fiasco as well??
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God Doug Smith is an idiot. Yesterday on the radio he kept going on about Stefanski possibly being the GM and now this nugget.
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Old 05-21-2013, 10:21 AM   #9 (permalink)
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Could be worse, we could have Grunwald back...remember this?

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Ironically, news has just broke that former Raptors GM Glen Grunwald said "no" to a deal that would have sent both Steve Nash and Dirk Nowitzki from the Dallas Mavericks to Toronto in exchange for Vince Carter and Antonio Davis
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And you guys call BC the worst? Things happen.....get missed....hold on to a player too long...seems to be a GM failing - well, GM's for the Raptors anyways.

Grunwald may be behind the biggest 'what-if' in franchise history.
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And then he promptly forgot the lesson he learned from it and let BC let Bosh walk away.

No thanks.
Assuming BC let him let since he isn't BC's boss.

The other key to Jabar is he specifically said he wants to be traded to LA or NY
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Old 05-21-2013, 10:27 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Could be worse, we could have Grunwald back...remember this?

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And you guys call BC the worst? Things happen.....get missed....hold on to a player too long...seems to be a GM failing - well, GM's for the Raptors anyways.

Grunwald may be behind the biggest 'what-if' in franchise history.
talk about hindsight. at the time vince Carter was in the mix for the best player in the league. Of course we all know it went sour fast, but he really was considered in the same league as kobe and the other mvps of the day.
i don't think many people slated Nash to get as good as he got.

Grunwald was a pretty good GM. he got canned too soon.
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As for dougie's bright idea i think it's just awful. Embery may be a good basketball mind and has decades of experience, but it's probably not a good idea to have a dinosaur running the team even though we're named after a dinosaur.
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As for dougie's bright idea i think it's just awful. Embery may be a good basketball mind and has decades of experience, but it's probably not a good idea to have a dinosaur running the team even though we're named after a dinosaur.
lol.. same thing I thought when I read Doug Smith's comments.. he is old
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Old 05-21-2013, 02:00 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Assuming BC let him let since he isn't BC's boss.

The other key to Jabar is he specifically said he wants to be traded to LA or NY
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In a year, he could leave as a free agent and we would get nothing in return.

They were both going to be FA in a year. Drives me nuts about the Bosh thing that we did nothing the summer before. Worse.. we had a guy with the saem experience in Embry that either said nothing or didn't say it strongly enough. Or maybe BC is just a total donkey. At least Embry got spare parts.
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They were both going to be FA in a year. Drives me nuts about the Bosh thing that we did nothing the summer before. Worse.. we had a guy with the saem experience in Embry that either said nothing or didn't say it strongly enough. Or maybe BC is just a total donkey. At least Embry got spare parts.
apparently embry traded him before he was a FA and there were signs that he will bolt after his last season.

The option we had at the time is to trade Bosh for spare parts in 2009 or hold on to a player who claimed everywhere that he wants to stay with Toronto (when in fact it was probably already decided that he and lebron would go to Miami).

The only consolation is that it would have made little difference since any team targetting Bosh would probably have asked for a promise of resigning. Since Bosh couldn't have done that, it's unlikely we would have gotten anything really significant, maybe a player like anthony randolph or similar.
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Old 05-22-2013, 04:22 PM   #16 (permalink)
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IMHO, we couldn't have gotten more out of Bosh. Carter's scenario, though, was much closer to that of Carmelo, as both were under the contract, and we absolutely should have received back much more in that deal. And wasn't Embry "helping" Babcock back then?
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Old 05-22-2013, 07:51 PM   #17 (permalink)
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He is retired now and he does have input in the organization I think enjoys his current situation with the raptors
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