Smith: Miami Still Interested in JO
Old 02-04-2009, 08:54 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Heat Smith: Miami Still Interested in JO

And JO is ready to move on according to Doug Smith too.

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Action: O’Neal’s 20 and 8

Reaction: Ready to move

Move? Where? Miami?.

With Heat still interested, I wonder if they’ve seen enough now to know that O’Neal’s knees – at the moment – look as good as they have all year and his play in the post, at both ends of the court, is steady and physical, just the way Pat Riley likes it.

Is that enough? I’d think so.

The other one I was inundated with yesterday and the day before is whether the Lakers might come calling with Bynum on the shelf.

My initial reaction is no way.

Already with $77 million committed in salary for next year, and knowing they’ll have to think about re-signing Trevor Ariza and Lamar Odom this summer, I can’t for the life of me think why they’d take on Jermaine’s number. Especially since they know Bynum will be back, maybe in time for the playoffs. And they got to the Finals last year without him as well.

No, the market for O’Neal seems to be only Miami and despite what he’s done in Toronto – and when he’s played, he’s been as advertised – I still say if the Heat say the deal’s on, the deal has to be on.
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Old 02-04-2009, 08:57 AM   #2 (permalink)
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MEh, Oneal's salary is nothing for Lakers if you ask me. They'll need him this year for playoffs....i could see it happening.
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Old 02-04-2009, 09:05 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Tired of hearing this miami crap... IT's just a waiting game now
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Old 02-04-2009, 09:56 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Keep O'Neal and trade Bosh. We'd be way better in the long run. Raid some team's cupboard and create depth. Bosh isn't a carry the team kind of guy
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Keep O'Neal and trade Bosh. We'd be way better in the long run. Raid some team's cupboard and create depth. Bosh isn't a carry the team kind of guy
hey, great idea! rid the team of the only consistent quality player we have! keep the injury prone guy that is past his prime and only plays 2/3 of the games!

what's the point of having depth if you have no good starters?
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Keep O'Neal and trade Bosh. We'd be way better in the long run. Raid some team's cupboard and create depth. Bosh isn't a carry the team kind of guy
Brilliant!!!!!!

I honestly can't tell if people are serious or are joking now. Why anyone would want to build around J.O. right now is beyond me.
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Old 02-04-2009, 10:14 AM   #7 (permalink)
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I dont' think griff meant necessarily building around Oneal. If you trade Bosh now, you build around Bargnani and whomever they get for Bosh. What Oneal gives you is 2 years to figure out the PF spot in your lineup and eases the loss of Bosh since they do a lot of the same things.

I'm not saying I want to trade Bosh, but IF you were going to do it, now would be the best time because you have someone experienced that can step in and give you similar points rebounds and as a bonus he's an upgrade on defense.

IF this were to happen, make no mistake there would be a young future all star received in return and he and Bargs would be the next future along with I suppose Jose.
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Old 02-04-2009, 10:16 AM   #8 (permalink)
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we need to stop the revolving door of 'stars'. commit to someone and build something. you're not going to win by trading away your best players just as they are starting to mature.
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Old 02-04-2009, 10:28 AM   #9 (permalink)
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Brilliant!!!!!!

I honestly can't tell if people are serious or are joking now. Why anyone would want to build around J.O. right now is beyond me.

Who said build around JO? Create depth with any potential Bosh trade (don't settle for anything but a future All Star in return), and ride out the JO contract. At that point you can potentially re-sign JO for a third of the price and have enough left over to add a superstar through free agency. Is there something wrong with that logic? Or do you think we should just keep toiling in the middle of the road with Bosh at the helm? How is he spoken of in the same class as a Lebron or wade? He disappears when he's needed most. Everyone needs to open their eyes here.
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Old 02-04-2009, 10:37 AM   #10 (permalink)
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Who said build around JO? Create depth with any potential Bosh trade (don't settle for anything but a future All Star in return), and ride out the JO contract. At that point you can potentially re-sign JO for a third of the price and have enough left over to add a superstar through free agency. Is there something wrong with that logic? Or do you think we should just keep toiling in the middle of the road with Bosh at the helm? How is he spoken of in the same class as a Lebron or wade? He disappears when he's needed most. Everyone needs to open their eyes here.
what depth can we get if we trade Bosh for an all-star? do you expect that we can get two or three key pieces in return? it sounds to me like we'd get one star in return. this leaves us with the same situation. why not put Bargs at the 5, keep bosh, selecet a decent lottery pick and grab an upper tier swing player via free agency when jo is gone? what's wrong with that logic? that sounds like a pretty good team to me...
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Old 02-04-2009, 10:45 AM   #11 (permalink)
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I hear what you"re saying Trane, I was referring to claudius' comment about building around JO. Bosh can't be the focal point of this team. He just doesn't seem to have it in him.

I definitely think you can trade Bosh for a future star as well as a few good players or picks. That's the depth I'm talking about. I keep screaming Portland because they could be so good RIGHT NOW, championship caliber good, if they gave us oden and fernandez, etc for bosh. A trade like that would create depth for us for years to come
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Old 02-04-2009, 10:48 AM   #12 (permalink)
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Giving up on Chris Bosh would be a monumental mistake, imo.

He has enough heart and a good enough work ethic to be a leader.

The ability to be a clutch performer is something that can be gained through experience and maturation.
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Old 02-04-2009, 10:50 AM   #13 (permalink)
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The ability to be a clutch performer is something that can be gained through experience and maturation.
and a decent coach.

Griff is just clearly frustrated with the team and therefore blames the struggling superstar. "Struggling" despite putting up 29 points last night against the best home-defensive team in the league.

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Old 02-04-2009, 10:51 AM   #14 (permalink)
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Giving up on Chris Bosh would be a monumental mistake, imo.

He has enough heart and a good enough work ethic to be a leader.

The ability to be a clutch performer is something that can be gained through experience and maturation.
+ 1 fucking million.

guys with cb's charatcer don't come around every day. he's a blessing, especially considering it could have been darko.
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+ 1 fucking million.

guys with cb's charatcer don't come around every day. he's a blessing, especially considering it could have been darko.
Or Dwyane Wade...

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Old 02-04-2009, 11:05 AM   #16 (permalink)
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wade/bargs/jose is not getting you any more championships than bosh/bargs/jose, so it doesn't really make a difference.
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I disagree. Wade has shown that not only is he a big game performer, but he can win games by himself, even if that means nailing big shots down the stretch.

Edit: Maybe not more championships, but definitely a team that's less of a pretender.

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Old 02-04-2009, 11:19 AM   #18 (permalink)
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I agree with you Zachus. Bosh isn't of the same caliber as Wade, Lebron or Kobe. Still though, he is a highly skilled player. One that i am happy to have on my team. We are taking his talents WAY for granted right now. The fact is this roster is thin. real thin. We can all see it now. Is Bosh the reason why we are losing? I'd say hell no.

Bosh isn't able to put a team on his back, but IMO he shouldn't have to. No team with one superstar and not much else will do much damage in the NBA.

As i see it there are three things i'd like to see next year.
1. a good player from the draft - we're on our way here.
2. a good coach.
3. at least one good addition at guard. maybe via an Oneal trade.

those three things would help us tremendously.
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BTW. I am trying to seperate Chris Bosh on the court from Chris Bosh the personality. I see him as having more personality flaws than actual basketball flaws.

where is that sports psychologist?!
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I dont' think griff meant necessarily building around Oneal. If you trade Bosh now, you build around Bargnani and whomever they get for Bosh. What Oneal gives you is 2 years to figure out the PF spot in your lineup and eases the loss of Bosh since they do a lot of the same things.

I'm not saying I want to trade Bosh, but IF you were going to do it, now would be the best time because you have someone experienced that can step in and give you similar points rebounds and as a bonus he's an upgrade on defense.

IF this were to happen, make no mistake there would be a young future all star received in return and he and Bargs would be the next future along with I suppose Jose.
You really think that JO is going to avg. 23 + 10 for the Raps?

I think that those days are well behind him.

And bjjs is exactly right... he scored 29 pts last night against one of the best defensive teams in the league... and you want trade him?
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