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Old 09-18-2008, 01:39 PM   #1 (permalink)
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It seems that some people are worried about our bench production and where it might come from with the departure of Delfino and some others. According to Doug Smith, we shouldn't worry.

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Okay, here’s the thing for all you who’ve been asking about “First teams” and “Second teams” and wondering where the scoring or the defence or whatever will come from on each.

If, as we all expect, they go with an eight- or nine-man rotation most nights – the variable being foul trouble and injuries, of course – there won’t be any time, let alone extended minutes, when there are five backups on the court at the same time.

And even if there were – and I presume it’ll happen every now and then when one of the bigs gets into early foul trouble – someone will always find a way to score. Or, for that matter, make defensive plays. It might be Moon and Bargnani one night, it might be Hump (when he plays) and Ukic or Solomon another night.

It’s a worry that people shouldn’t worry about.


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Old 09-18-2008, 03:14 PM   #2 (permalink)
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That quote makes me think about who will be those nine men at rotation: Calde, AP, Moon, Kapono, Bosh, Bargnani, Oneal, Ukic and ... who? Humps? Addams or Salomon? Joey?????

I suppose it will depend on the game, but I would like to know if Sam has an idea about that nine man.

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Here’s a report from Reporting Central.

Had a quick chat with Sam Mitchell yesterday and he says things are progressing just fine at the informal workouts over at the ACC and there’s a big crowd in already.

Some scrimmages, some shooting drills, some defensive drills, some conditioning work are all part of a routine day for the six or seven guys who are already here.

And he says Jermaine O’Neal’s expected in Saturday, Bosh and Calderon and their Olympic medals arrive Sunday and next week should be a de-facto extra week of training camp.

Of course, I’m not surprised he said he’s happy with the way things are going – the next time a coach starts killing his players this early will be the first time – but there did seem to be a greater sense of optimism in the conversation than I can remember in any other September.
I like that about the optimism, looks like the guys that are already training are doing well.
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Old 09-18-2008, 08:56 PM   #3 (permalink)
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The ninth man doesn't really matter. The ninth man didn't really matter last year. It was pretty much a flex slot given to whoever might be on a role on any given night. I'm not worried about the bench. It was bad last season and if its bad this season then at least the team has a better starting five to rely on.
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I remember last year when the Calts didn't have a good bench to start with. In the end they had like a 7 man rotation with the rest of the players playing garbage minutes
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The ninth man doesn't really matter. The ninth man didn't really matter last year. It was pretty much a flex slot given to whoever might be on a role on any given night. I'm not worried about the bench. It was bad last season and if its bad this season then at least the team has a better starting five to rely on.
I was just curious, thinking that maybe one of the new guys is doing as well as to be at the rotation. Wondering if Salomon or Adams have shown some good stuff ... it's a long time waiting for NBA's begin.
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I'm thinking Jawai and Adams have a better chance at minutes than Solomon; he's going to serve a role that guys like Slokar served in the past...A guy to warm the end of the bench for Bargnani when he pisses Sam off.
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I'm thinking Jawai and Adams have a better chance at minutes than Solomon; he's going to serve a role that guys like Slokar served in the past...A guy to warm the end of the bench for Bargnani when he pisses Sam off.
Have to agree with you on Adams but about Jawai, dunno, thing is that there are 4 big men ahead him at the rotation and he is the most inexperienced at the roster. IMO it's going to be a little bit difficult.

If Adams can play good defence, then I think he could be a guy at the rotation. And if can do it at the SF spot too, then think he is that guy.

Solomon's time will come from Ukic if he cannot play well and from the SG spot if he can be a kind of instant offense (a la Dixon, but I hope better ) then some given nights he could play. It isn't going to be easy although still think he will have more minutes (but not too many) than Jawai.
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It sounds more and more like they're going to play Bargnani at the forward spots and move him away from the five. Humphries isn't going to cut it. Jawai might be ahead of him before the season starts. He has the body right now to stand toe to toe with most centers in the league and if he can play the role of rebounder and defender then Humphries won't be a threat to him. Outside Jawai who really is there to back up O'Neal?

I think you'll see Moon playing some 2 this year to make up for the lack of depth at the position and to adjust to the lineup shuffling.
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I can see Jawai playing more minutes than Humpries. They are almost the same height but Jawai weighs more and is better siuted for the C and Humps is better suited for the PF. Most likely Bargs will get the minutes behind Bosh and JO and Humps and Jawai will get the rest
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You guys are nuts.

If Hump comes out and does what the coaching staff asks of him (less dribbling and shoooting) then he is exactly what the bench needs. A high energy guy who can rebound on both ends, block shots, play aggressive D and occasionally score...he's really a bigger JYD with a slightly more polished offensive game.

Jawai isn't even going to step on the court unless it's to give up his seat during a timeout or there's two minutes left and we're up or down by 20.

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Old 09-19-2008, 08:44 PM   #11 (permalink)
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what acie said

here's what i think (not including garbage time)

one of bargs, bosh, or oneal will always be on the court. when two are resting, humps will be in.

jawai will either stay for practice or be sent to the d-league

graham and adams won't be on the floor together, and neither will a combination of adams, kapono and roko

when roko is playing point, parker will be on the floor with him

i also believe we'll see a fair share of roko and Calderon side by side

sol will get pt, but just when roko is flat.
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You guys are nuts.

If Hump comes out and does what the coaching staff asks of him (less dribbling and shoooting) then he is exactly what the bench needs. A high energy guy who can rebound on both ends, block shots, play aggressive D and occasionally score...he's really a bigger JYD with a slightly more polished offensive game.

Jawai isn't even going to step on the court unless it's to give up his seat during a timeout or there's two minutes left and we're up or down by 20.
He's not going to do that. Time and time again he's shown that the more minutes he gets the more detrimental his game becomes to the team due to him trying to claw out a larger encompassing role with the team... Doing things he has no business doing.
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I can probably guarnatee you that Hump is a coach favourite. He hussles his ass of, rebounds well and isn't a bad defender. Does he do too much? Yes. I agree.

But the fact that some people are saying Jawai is going to see playing time is funny. Here's a guy who has barely played basketball in his entire career to date, yet we're expecting him to be a solid contributor? Ahead of a veteran player? Learning the second toughest position for a rookie to learn? If we see any potential in him, we need him to first learn the game just simply watching it from the bench and playing garbage minutes. Slowly graduate him from there. But him taking Hump's spot is laughable.
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Its the 9th spot, its an energy role and if last year is any indication then how on earth can you call Humphries a favorite of Sam? He had a lot of trouble staying in the rotation. If Sam loved him he wouldn't be in and out of the dog house all year.
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It sounds more and more like they're going to play Bargnani at the forward spots and move him away from the five.
We disagree here.

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Humphries isn't going to cut it. Jawai might be ahead of him before the season starts. He has the body right now to stand toe to toe with most centers in the league and if he can play the role of rebounder and defender then Humphries won't be a threat to him. Outside Jawai who really is there to back up O'Neal?
Think that Jawai's inexperience is going to be a big factor for him not getting some minutes when the game is still alive. I can see him getting minutes over Humps when the game is decided, so he can get some experience.

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I think you'll see Moon playing some 2 this year to make up for the lack of depth at the position and to adjust to the lineup shuffling.
That scares me, without a good ball handle it would be awful in offense and his perimeter defense isn't that good. Maybe he has improved those skills this summer and he can do it, but till I watch it I stand with my opinion.
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Its the 9th spot, its an energy role and if last year is any indication then how on earth can you call Humphries a favorite of Sam? He had a lot of trouble staying in the rotation. If Sam loved him he wouldn't be in and out of the dog house all year.
The thing is that right now Humps is better than Jawai (by the moment and likely along this season) and IMO Jawai isn't going to be an important player this season (neither Humps, out of a few given nights), so think that Sam will be easy with the rookie.
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Moon playing as a guard? that wont happend in a million years... you have Parker, Adams and Roko in that position. Not happening. It will be like last year, SF and maybe PF when Sam wants to play small with Bosh as a center.
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Moon playing as a guard? that wont happend in a million years... you have Parker, Adams and Roko in that position. Not happening. It will be like last year, SF and maybe PF when Sam wants to play small with Bosh as a center.
Agreed, unless Moon learns how to handle the ball and creat his own shot, it will never happen. Kaps would play 2 before Jamario.
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The thing is that right now Humps is better than Jawai (by the moment and likely along this season) and IMO Jawai isn't going to be an important player this season (neither Humps, out of a few given nights), so think that Sam will be easy with the rookie.
This we don't know. We've yet to see them hit the floor together. From all I've read Jawai is further ahead than expected... And lets make this clear for all the energy Humphries brings in the end he's still in unintelligent player. Oh and to those claiming Humphries can be the sure fire backup center, please do explain this to me because I didn't see any signs of it last season.

Oh and one more thing, in terms of being physically capable of hanging with biggest boys (Which Humphries has proven he is not) lets take a look at this:
Humphries: 6'9" 230lbs
Jawai: 6'10" 280lbs

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This we don't know. We've yet to see them hit the floor together. From all I've read Jawai is further ahead than expected... And lets make this clear for all the energy Humphries brings in the end he's still in unintelligent player. Oh and to those claiming Humphries can be the sure fire backup center, please do explain this to me because I didn't see any signs of it last season.

Oh and one more thing, in terms of being physically capable of hanging with biggest boys (Which Humphries has proven he is not) lets take a look at this:
Humphries: 6'9" 230lbs
Jawai: 6'10" 280lbs

Where have you read this? Jawai got hurt in Summer League because he was so out of shape and couldn't keep up with the pace of the game...

All one had to do is watch Hump last year to know he can be a solid contributor when focused on the task at hand. He very much can hang and bang with the big boys. How many times did he out-muscle a much bigger player for a board? How many time did he get out-muscled? If you said never you are correct.

Oh, and chew on this for a bit. Hump is only a year older than Jawai and is entering his fifth year in the NBA. That's almost as long as Jawai has been playing organized basketball...
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