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Old 11-28-2012, 09:39 AM   #41 (permalink)
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I agree with Mitchell here, things will improve once we get Landry and Anderson back. We wont have to play that useless combo pg lineup
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Old 11-28-2012, 10:11 AM   #42 (permalink)
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I agree with Mitchell here, things will improve once we get Landry and Anderson back. We wont have to play that useless combo pg lineup
I have a sickening feeling in my stomach when we "need fields and Anderson (a d leaguer) back.
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Old 11-28-2012, 10:19 AM   #43 (permalink)
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I have a sickening feeling in my stomach when we "need fields and Anderson (a d leaguer) back.

Anderson >>>>Kleiza>>>>McGuire


Alan Anderson is probably our best SF (consistency wise) and he plays both ends of the court. As sad as that is, but it's true. And he's not a D-Leaguer. Fields is a bit of a wildcard, it all depends on if he can get some consistency with his shot again when he gets back.
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Old 11-28-2012, 10:26 AM   #44 (permalink)
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I like Dom's physical skillset, not as much as JJ's, but he's also really lacking offensively.... though I suppose he'd be more effective in a system with more offensive movement and unpredictability.... unfortunately, we employ a very simple, static offensive system. Guess that's why he looked better in GS.

Anderson is a steady eddy. He lacks a bit of size, but his veteran presence is a great asset on this team. He needs to not be our starter, but Kleiza has been bringing nothing.... so disappointing. Anderson is AP... not good enough to be a starter, but has the professional experience and smarts to not look out of place. He'd be much more impactful on a winnng team with talent around him.

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Didn't derozan score 29 points on 28 shots last game? Bargnani had 34 on 20 shots.

Realize it's one game, but those are your main guys and they take the majority of shots as Smitch reiterated. Bargnani won't always put up 17 points on 17 shots, was shooting a good percentage on fewer shots until the Spurs Game. Too good a shooter to have that kind of game and that kind of shooting percentage for the season
He scores 15.5 for 13 in his career so far. 19.5 on 15.6 last year. Even this year he has managed to get up to 17.9 on 16.5 shots. Not exactly world beating, but not the terribleness he started out with.

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I actually think the team scoring will go up. Reason- more movement and transition offense since whoever gets more minutes will be grabbing rebounds or preventing off rebounding. I can easily see Ed get more easy buckets if Il Muggo is not in the way and Val gets some more help on offensive boards....just sayin

The "pound the rock" may then mean something to the others on the team ... or maybe they shoukd get this banner over Andria's locker "martellare la roccia"
This may be true, but the stats don't support it. Bargnani has pretty much always improved the team offensively no matter who he was replacing or replaced with. This is particularly true the past couple years, with an ORTG difference of 10 points per 100 possessions. Defence is a different story, but that's beside the point.
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Old 11-28-2012, 03:15 PM   #46 (permalink)
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Smitch on the Fan today, making some strong points about Bargnani, for and against, how he is and what he needs. We're missing that vet leadership from vet players. It's obvious. Smitch knows.

Smitch wouldn't give up on AB yet, dude knows his shit. Boom.

Get a hard-nosed veteran WITH talent in here pronto.... John Lucas is not that guy.

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Smitch on the Fan today, making some strong points about Bargnani, for and against, how he is and what he needs. We're missing that vet leadership from vet players. It's obvious. Smitch knows.
His comments about where Paul Pierce was and what people thought of him prior to KG and Allen were dealt to Bostons made some sense.
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Old 11-28-2012, 03:19 PM   #48 (permalink)
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Smitch on the Fan today, making some strong points about Bargnani, for and against, how he is and what he needs. We're missing that vet leadership from vet players. It's obvious. Smitch knows.

Smitch wouldn't give up on AB yet, dude knows his shit. Boom.

Get a hard-nosed veteran WITH talent in here pronto.... John Lucas is not that guy.
A talented small forward is what we need, unfortunately Bryan handed out big cash to Fields
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A talented small forward is what we need, unfortunately Bryan handed out big cash to Fields
Mehh, Fields is making MLE money the next 18 months and then becomes an expiring. His deal isn't that bad. And I still contend he'll be decent when he's healed.

That being said, he should be a backup. I agree, this team desperately needs a good two way SF. Doesn't have to be great but good.
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Mehh, Fields is making MLE money the next 18 months and then becomes an expiring. His deal isn't that bad. And I still contend he'll be decent when he's healed.

That being said, he should be a backup. I agree, this team desperately needs a good two way SF. Doesn't have to be great but good.
If we had a Rudy Gay type player it would take pressure off guys like Bargnani and Derozan, and would allow them to be supporting players which is what they are.

Like Smitch mentioned, Bargnani and Derozan are being targetted every game by the opposing teams.
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Why are people putting down Derozan to prop up Bargnani? Neither are first options on even a marginal playoff team and both have big flaws made worse by our horrible NBDL quality basketball system with no defined roles.
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If we had a Rudy Gay type player it would take pressure off guys like Bargnani and Derozan, and would allow them to be supporting players which is what they are.

Like Smitch mentioned, Bargnani and Derozan are being targetted every game by the opposing teams.

Of course.

Lowry
Derozan
Gay
Bargs
Valanciunas

Who do you target defensively if you're defending that lineup? That's a nightmare lineup.
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Of course.

Lowry
Derozan
Gay
Bargs
Valanciunas

Who do you target defensively if you're defending that lineup? That's a nightmare lineup.
davis, calderon, kleiza, ross, for gay. make it happen BC! this ain't soccer, depth ain't THAT important

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davis, calderon, kleiza, ross, for gay. make it happen BC! this ain't soccer, depth ain't THAT important

Perhaps you missed what happened when Lowry, Anderson and Fields were out...
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Perhaps you missed what happened when Lowry, Anderson and Fields were out...
When Lowry was out, we picked up 2 wins, which would equate to 66.666666 percent of our wins this year. Kinda sad eh..

Fields is terrible, and Anderson is a D leaguer, who is decent defensively.

Sometimes you gotta ride your horses, and stick to a short rotation. Lots of NBA teams do this.
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When Lowry was out, we picked up 2 wins, which would equate to 66.666666 percent of our wins this year. Kinda sad eh..

Fields is terrible, and Anderson is a D leaguer, who is decent defensively.

Sometimes you gotta ride your horses, and stick to a short rotation. Lots of NBA teams do this.
Understatement of the year. Round up fool! 66.666667 percent

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Why are people putting down Derozan to prop up Bargnani? Neither are first options on even a marginal playoff team and both have big flaws made worse by our horrible NBDL quality basketball system with no defined roles.
I missed where this was happening. We just need more legit vet leadership. Even Magloire is missed.
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I missed where this was happening. We just need more legit vet leadership. Even Magloire is missed.
Magloire is missed...by who....
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Old 11-29-2012, 09:17 AM   #59 (permalink)
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Of course.

Lowry
Derozan
Gay
Bargs
Valanciunas

Who do you target defensively if you're defending that lineup? That's a nightmare lineup.
No one, you don't have to. You just go inside on O and score on every possession.
Just play passing lanes on D and you get lots of run outs from "Hey, hunny!" plays.
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Why would the Grizz trade one of their best players when they have the best record in the entire league? Stop the nonsense. Any thread that mentions Rudy Gay going anywhere is stupid.
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