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Old 02-04-2009, 12:36 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Oh, I've read your reasons.

Just surprised how all of the Triano is the greatest thing since sliced bread talk has died down.

I'm mean people were even claiming he was doing a good job because we moved up in the NBA power rankings...
I'd still like to see what he could do with a team that was finally HEALTHY.

Jose was good for 3 games and the TEAM looked good for 3 games.... coincedence?

I'm going to be watching both ORL and NOH very closely over the next little while... with both Paul and Jameer gone I'd expect those teams to struggle.

God knows that the Spurs did when Parker was gone.
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Old 02-04-2009, 12:40 PM   #22 (permalink)
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I'd still like to see what he could do with a team that was finally HEALTHY.

Jose was good for 3 games and the TEAM looked good for 3 games.... coincedence?

I'm going to be watching both ORL and NOH very closely over the next little while... with both Paul and Jameer gone I'd expect those teams to struggle.

God knows that the Spurs did when Parker was gone.

We played three horrible squads...coincedence?

Funny you mention San Antonio. I watched them take Denver down to the wire last night without Duncan, Parker, Gino and Finley in the lineup.
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Old 02-04-2009, 12:44 PM   #23 (permalink)
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He always got their best efforts?? If that's the case then we've been watching 2 different Raps teams over the past 5 years.
Too early to tell? The team stumbled into the playoffs at the end of last season and looked listless THIS season.
We'd have a better record right now with him at the helm? HOW???? With no Jose and JO? The guy isn't Jesus lol... he can't work miracles.

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Torap, you're right, the team had enough struggles under Mitchell but, they always got it back on track eventually, and when they did, they were a better squad than before. The improvement was always their, despite their being the dips and slumps. But doesn't every team have those?

Under Mitchell, their were teams that we were better than, hands down. And that held true at the end of last year and this year. Milwaukee, Charlotte, Chicago, New York etc etc. Even if we had an off night and would lose to one of those teams, I think it was clear in most people's minds, including the Raptors, that they were a better squad than those guys. Not to mention I'm pretty sure that the Raps thought they were right their with Orlando and Cleveland, you could even suggest Boston, we battled them pretty hard last year.

That confidence has been lost ever since Mitchell left this team. Those teams we previously had beat from a mental standpoint, before the ball was even tossed up, is now gone. The teams who we were previously nipping at their heels, those teams are now miles ahead.

Even when we were 8-9. We were beating the teams we were supposed to beat, for the most part.

That sense of placement as an up and coming team that is right in the middle of the NBA food chain is now gone. Now we're fair game for anyone. I really don't think Mitchell would of let that happen, regardless of who got injured.

Not to mention, he had Bosh playing incredible basketball, which we havn't seen since.
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Old 02-04-2009, 12:53 PM   #24 (permalink)
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We played three horrible squads...coincedence?

Funny you mention San Antonio. I watched them take Denver down to the wire last night without Duncan, Parker, Gino and Finley in the lineup.
I also watched the Raps beat ORL without Jose and JO.
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Old 02-04-2009, 01:03 PM   #25 (permalink)
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lol.

Torap, you're right, the team had enough struggles under Mitchell but, they always got it back on track eventually, and when they did, they were a better squad than before. The improvement was always their, despite their being the dips and slumps. But doesn't every team have those?

Under Mitchell, their were teams that we were better than, hands down. And that held true at the end of last year and this year. Milwaukee, Charlotte, Chicago, New York etc etc. Even if we had an off night and would lose to one of those teams, I think it was clear in most people's minds, including the Raptors, that they were a better squad than those guys. Not to mention I'm pretty sure that the Raps thought they were right their with Orlando and Cleveland, you could even suggest Boston, we battled them pretty hard last year.

That confidence has been lost ever since Mitchell left this team. Those teams we previously had beat from a mental standpoint, before the ball was even tossed up, is now gone. The teams who we were previously nipping at their heels, those teams are now miles ahead.

Even when we were 8-9. We were beating the teams we were supposed to beat, for the most part.

That sense of placement as an up and coming team that is right in the middle of the NBA food chain is now gone. Now we're fair game for anyone. I really don't think Mitchell would of let that happen, regardless of who got injured.

Not to mention, he had Bosh playing incredible basketball, which we havn't seen since.
Mitchell had a better roster over the last 2 years than Jay has ever had. A rock-solid PG rotation and some credible bench players.

Bosh was playing his ass off at the beginning of the season because he was playing about 42 min/gm and he was pretty much our ONLY option on offense. How many shots did he take then as opposed to now? He was force fed because Bargs hadn't blossomed yet and we had no one else who was a consistent threat. And because of that he started to wear down after 12-15 games because teams were throwing the kitchen at him.

We've battled BOS pretty hard THIS year too.... and we've been in a TON of close games. The guys have just made mental mistakes down the stretch.

There NOTHING that Sam could have done to stem this tide.... when you're forced to start Solomon for a a stretch of games and rely on a rookie PG as a backup (or an aginig AP) you're going to struggle.

This year has really been a year of shit luck for the Raps. That's it in a nutshell IMO.
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Old 02-04-2009, 01:10 PM   #26 (permalink)
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I love how I don't have to read how great a coach Triano is anymore.

I love how no one is talking about our new system anymore.

I love that no one is talking about having fun and players not having to look over their shoulders anymore.

I love how no one is mentioning that he just needs some time because the more time that passes, the worse the team looks.
wow - so you basically love mitchell so much, that you are glad we suck because it proves you right and make him look better? You know, this forum is called RaptorsForum.com, not ILoveSam.com ...
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wow - so you basically love mitchell so much, that you are glad we suck because it proves you right and make him look better? You know, this forum is called RaptorsForum.com, not ILoveSam.com ...
really? if it were raptorsforum, why do we have so many asses like yourself cheering against guys like TJ, Sam and Bosh while they wear raptor jerseys?
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Old 02-04-2009, 01:24 PM   #28 (permalink)
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really? if it were raptorsforum, why do we have so many asses like yourself cheering against guys like TJ, Sam and Bosh while they wear raptor jerseys?
Brother, you stole the words right out of my mouth.

Maybe we should change the sight to whinylittlebitch.com
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Old 02-04-2009, 01:26 PM   #29 (permalink)
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Brother, you stole the words right out of my mouth.

Maybe we should change the sight to whinylittlebitch.com
Too long.... maybe just "WLB.com"?
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Old 02-04-2009, 02:09 PM   #30 (permalink)
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Maybe we should change the sight to whinylittlebitch.com
Hey come'on .... we can't pick just on milk here, we have tons and tons of little whiney bitches here, hence why it should be called whinylittlebitches.com.
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Old 02-04-2009, 03:06 PM   #31 (permalink)
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I thought that bit by bit, Sam was able to turn things around to the point where there was something of a culture of winning established here. Now it obviously wasn't established firmly, and maybe Sam reached the peak of his abilities by the end of last season (although I would agree with PB that he could have used a lead assistant). But what do we have now? Back to the bush-league franchise we were all completely sick of, and without Richard Peddie to throw our scorn at as the cause of it all. The consequences of the firing are obvious and as far as I can tell, entirely negative. There was no good reasoning offered for it, there was all kinds of BS thrown at us offering what a new coach Triano will bring to the team, and now there is nothing but daily implosions. At this point it would not surprise me to see Jose wanting to be traded.
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Old 02-04-2009, 05:09 PM   #32 (permalink)
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I thought that bit by bit, Sam was able to turn things around to the point where there was something of a culture of winning established here. Now it obviously wasn't established firmly, and maybe Sam reached the peak of his abilities by the end of last season (although I would agree with PB that he could have used a lead assistant). But what do we have now? Back to the bush-league franchise we were all completely sick of, and without Richard Peddie to throw our scorn at as the cause of it all. The consequences of the firing are obvious and as far as I can tell, entirely negative. There was no good reasoning offered for it, there was all kinds of BS thrown at us offering what a new coach Triano will bring to the team, and now there is nothing but daily implosions. At this point it would not surprise me to see Jose wanting to be traded.
LX... c'mon man.... I really HATE it when you imply that Sam could be doing more with a team that hasn't had a healthy Jose all year (or maybe just for 6 games) and has missed JO for about 12-15 games as well.

Would Sam have convinced Moon to start charging the lane and getting to the FT line 10 times/night?

Would he have stopped JK from being a defensive liability?

Would he have increased Bargs' productivity even MORE to the point where he'd be avging 28 + 12?

Would Solomon look like a credible NBA PG instead of a joke?

Because unless he could do all that I don't see how we'd have a better record than we do now.
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LX... c'mon man.... I really HATE it when you imply that Sam could be doing more with a team that hasn't had a healthy Jose all year (or maybe just for 6 games) and has missed JO for about 12-15 games as well.

Would Sam have convinced Moon to start charging the lane and getting to the FT line 10 times/night?

Would he have stopped JK from being a defensive liability?

Would he have increased Bargs' productivity even MORE to the point where he'd be avging 28 + 12?

Would Solomon look like a credible NBA PG instead of a joke?

Because unless he could do all that I don't see how we'd have a better record than we do now.
He was fired because he had lost the locker room though right?

The fact is - he knew the players and he knew this team and he was able to push a few buttons and try to make due with guys who were not 100 percent one way or another and keep moving forward.
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He was fired because he had lost the locker room though right?

The fact is - he knew the players and he knew this team and he was able to push a few buttons and try to make due with guys who were not 100 percent one way or another and keep moving forward.
So he would have been able to push Jose and JO to play injured and we would have been better for that?

Somehow I doubt that.... Jay knows the players and the team just as well as Sam does.. but there's only so much you can do when you don't have a healthy roster.

Again... keep an eye on how ORL and NOH play without Jameer and Paul... I think it'll be very telling.
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really? if it were raptorsforum, why do we have so many asses like yourself cheering against guys like TJ, Sam and Bosh while they wear raptor jerseys?
nobody cares about TJ anymore. And nobody cheers against Bosh when he has a good game, so it's not the same thing. Of course true fans (of the team, and not of CB4) will get pissed when he lays a donut and has more turnovers than made baskets. When he plays good, you'll not find many boobirds.
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as far as Sam goes - I wish him to get a job asap, since that would open the door for us to get a good coach next season. I strongly believe that Sam is a mediocre coach, if the future proves me wrong, than so be it - I don't care one way or another. With this team, he was clearly outcoached by half the teams in the league, so who care if he was better or worse than triano, and whether we would have had more or less wins by this point, with or without calderon.

The reality is that Sam is not a great coach and without a great coach it's very hard to win a title. You could argue about Boston, but without their excellent defensive coach it's unlikely they would have made it in my opinion.
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sams cheerleading act will be perfect for the college game.
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So he would have been able to push Jose and JO to play injured and we would have been better for that?

Somehow I doubt that.... Jay knows the players and the team just as well as Sam does.. but there's only so much you can do when you don't have a healthy roster.

Again... keep an eye on how ORL and NOH play without Jameer and Paul... I think it'll be very telling.
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How many guys on this roster were even HERE 2-3 years ago??? lol... I don't think that he knows the team "inside & out".. not yet... but I think he will by the end of this season.

Which one is it?
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