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Old 12-28-2010, 11:06 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Simple question. Who do you think are the smartest on the court. Put them in order if you want, I'm going to put my top 10.

1. Jose Calderon.
2. Jared Bayless
3. Andrea Bargnani
4. Julian Wright
5. Reggie Evans
6. Demar DeRozan.
7. Ed Davis
8. Leandro Barbosa
9. Linas Kleiza
10. Amir Johnson
11. Joey Dorsey
12. Sonny Weems

If Peja was ever going to play he'd be top 5 for sure.
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Old 12-28-2010, 11:13 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Tough one because none of them are head and shoulders above the rest for the most part in the brains dept.
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Old 12-28-2010, 11:33 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Jared Bayless is #2?


He make's some dumb decisions IMO and forces some plays/turnovers...

But hes a young PG ... cant hold it against him that much.. but i dont know about #2
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As far as passing - I'd say Wright is right up there with Jose.

The biggest dumb-asses in terms of making decisions with the ball would be DeRozan and Weems, IMHO. Kleiza is pretty close to them, that's why all three, for me, should only be finishers or, at least, try to make the simplest pass possible.
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One guy that i'm impressed with is Davis when it comes to positioning at both ends of the court and his awareness & anticipation has impressed me. Great nose for the ball and plays under control. Pretty mature for a Big so young imo.
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Simple question. Who do you think are the smartest on the court. Put them in order if you want, I'm going to put my top 10.

1. Jose Calderon.
2. Jared Bayless
3. Andrea Bargnani
4. Julian Wright
5. Reggie Evans
6. Demar DeRozan.
7. Ed Davis
8. Leandro Barbosa
9. Linas Kleiza
10. Amir Johnson
11. Joey Dorsey
12. Sonny Weems

If Peja was ever going to play he'd be top 5 for sure.
It's top 12
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Old 12-29-2010, 04:19 AM   #7 (permalink)
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One guy that i'm impressed with is Davis when it comes to positioning at both ends of the court and his awareness & anticipation has impressed me. Great nose for the ball and plays under control. Pretty mature for a Big so young imo.
Like I said before Ed Davis started playing, Ed Davis will be a better defender than Bargnani in his rookie season than Bargnani in his fifth season. The way Amir Johnson, Ed Davis, and Dorsey hustled, rebounded, played helped defense, and defended the paint, is the best I've ever seen as Raptor fan. Of course, Bargnani didn't play a single minute. Great job guys!!!!
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DeRozan is smarter than in the past... He reads, analyze the game, makes more good choices. I don't know if he looks some tapes but he has improved in this part of the game.
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i'd put Bargnani below reggie because of his lack of defensive IQ, i'd put barbosa ahead of demar and davis, and i think i would switch demar and davis, i can't justify demar being that high because his defensive game is still suspect at best
but the bottom of that list is pretty good, weems is definitely at the bottom
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Why is Barbosa #8? he should be number 1 or 2 just for playing with Nash LOL
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the top two imo have to be reggie and calderon. calderon's assist to turnover ratio is a good indication that he has a high basketball iq. As far as reggie, he always knows were to be positioned on the floor and grab every rebound in sight despite being 6"8 only i miss him
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the top two imo have to be reggie and calderon. calderon's assist to turnover ratio is a good indication that he has a high basketball iq. As far as reggie, he always knows were to be positioned on the floor and grab every rebound in sight despite being 6"8 only i miss him
I second that opinion. I would also put Amir Johnson a little higher than 8th. But no higher than 5th, due to his repeated foul trouble.
But he can read the court pretty good and he positions himself in good positions for rebounds as well as where he needs to be to hit his shot.
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Old 12-29-2010, 12:52 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Reggie and Jose to be sure.

Ed Davis seems to have a good head for the game despite being a youngster... Joey's not bad either.

The rest are a couple notches down.... if Wright can continue to play like he did last night he'll earn a spot at the top too... still early though.
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the top two imo have to be reggie and calderon. calderon's assist to turnover ratio is a good indication that he has a high basketball iq. As far as reggie, he always knows were to be positioned on the floor and grab every rebound in sight despite being 6"8 only i miss him
Calderon is pretty smart player, but his assist to turnover ratio is as much about playing it safe as anything else. And if Reggie Evans is one of our smarter players we're in bigger trouble then I thought.
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1. Jose Calderon
2. Reggie Evans
3. Leandro Barbosa
4. Peja Stojakovic
5. Andrea Bargnani
6. Jerryd Bayless
7. Demar Derozan
8. Ed Davis
9. Amir Johnson
10. Julian Wright
11. Sonny Weems
12. Linas Kleiza
13. Joey Dorsey

Though from 5,6-13 could be interchangeable :S
Its hard to rank.
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Calderon is pretty smart player, but his assist to turnover ratio is as much about playing it safe as anything else. And if Reggie Evans is one of our smarter players we're in bigger trouble then I thought.
Not true at all... at least not anymore. Jose pushes the ball up the floor quite a bit when the opportunity is there.
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jose can't possibly be on the top, he doesn't have half the bball smarts needed (as in the defensive half), that already lowers him down to middle of the pack on this team
and his assist to TO ratio is not really that good this year because he has to push the ball up the court and make quicker decisions which he obviously can't do that consistently
he was clearly getting that ratio before because smitch was making the play call for him every play and it was always the same pick and pop/roll play with bosh
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jose can't possibly be on the top, he doesn't have half the bball smarts needed (as in the defensive half), that already lowers him down to middle of the pack on this team
His defensive issues have more to do with athletisism than IQ. And he hasnt been that bad this season. Last season when he was at his worst defensively, it was partly due to injury which even further affected the physical side of the defense.

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and his assist to TO ratio is not really that good this year because he has to push the ball up the court and make quicker decisions which he obviously can't do that consistently
he was clearly getting that ratio before because smitch was making the play call for him every play and it was always the same pick and pop/roll play with bosh

Oh yeah. His assist to turnover-ratio is so bad now. He is only fourth in the league (behind CP3, Kidd and DJ Augustine). I'd say thats pretty good still and even better considering he is playing with a young team that is trying to run a lot, which means a lot of turnovers for the team (we are averaging sixth most in the league).

Btw. Jose is also 4th in league in assists per 48mins (behind Paul, Rondo and Nash). Thats pretty good number too.

Jose is head over heals the smarters player (BBallwise) on the Raps.

And I dont get the love for Reggie. Dont you guys remember this is the guy thats causing turnovers by trying to grab rebounds from teammates and getting offensive rebounds and then turning the ball over trying to take his own shot instead of passing the ball out. He also gambles a lot defensively. Reggie has a lot of heart and hustle, but Im not so sure about the IQ.
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I might have to redo my list now seeing these comments haha
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Old 12-30-2010, 09:37 PM   #20 (permalink)
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Not true at all... at least not anymore. Jose pushes the ball up the floor quite a bit when the opportunity is there.
I don't find unless it's something like a 3 on 1 or something. He still joggs or walks up the floor way too much and over dribbles and all too often throws it inside as if Bosh is still there.
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