A small observation about a glaring ommission
Old 11-21-2008, 10:05 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I agree with much that has been said about sam mitchell being incapable about being able to maximize the potential of this lineup.

Interestingly, listening to Jack and Matt throughout the second half, and I respect Jack's opinion more than anything, they've done nothing but rave about what Frank did during halftime, his ADJUSTMENTS!!!! Say what you want Sam supporters, but the one thing in my mind, that's at the root of this team's consistent habit of coughing up big leads this year is Sam's inability to produce a countermove to his opponent down the sidelines. He's incapable of thinking on the fly, which is why he is not nor ever will be a successful playoff coach in my mind.

Call that bold, but hearing Jack rave about Frank, only hammered home how desperate this team needs a new sets of eyes (no not ones fresh from Lasix) calling the plays
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Old 11-21-2008, 10:20 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Bullshit ... Frank is as bad as Sam. Frank had 3 super stars and he couldn't do anything. Should Raptors not turned over the ball that many times in the 4th quarter, they would have win. The same if Parker wouldn't miss the freaking FT.

That's the NBA at highest possible vibe! Good game, bad outcome for Raptors.
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insight.....Frank is a damn good coach. If you can't see it, then I feel bad for you. And he only had 1 superstar in Kidd and two very good players with nothing else. He outcoached us. Plain and simple.
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Sam's team beat many times Frank's team. You don't have to feel bad for me, I just don't think Frank is that good. Like Sam, he is very energetic from bench, but he is not the coach who can go further than 1st or 2nd round in playoff (same like Sam). I think your thinking is affected by Raptors heart breaking lost.
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Old 11-21-2008, 10:32 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Sam's team beat many times Frank's team. You don't have to feel bad for me, I just don't think Frank is that good. Like Sam, he is very energetic from bench, but he is not the coach who can go further than 1st or 2nd round in playoff (same like Sam). I think your thinking is affected by Raptors heart breaking lost.
Are you kidding me?

He led his team back after a TERRIBLE 1st half and drew up the winning play for them which worked PERFECTLY.

That's coaching at the highest level.
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Old 11-21-2008, 10:36 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Frank had 3 stars, but he never had any quality big. The only season they had something there (Krstic), they almost made it to the conference finals. They were kicked by a Miami team that ended up winning it all, because there's only so much you can do with coaching, Shaq was still relatively dominating at the time.
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insight, look at the numbers bargnani, jose, and Bosh put up and we still lost. they had huge games from Carter and harris, but it was the little things that killed us.

answer me this genius, how do you call the same out of bounds play twice, have the first one fail, call the second and cough it up on a 5 second call? I watch a lot of ball, and a five second call in this level of basketball is pathetic. frank hammered sam, this team is 6 and 6 with Bosh playing all-world right now. people said for this team to be successful, Bosh, JO, Bargs, and Jose all have to play at a high level. newsflash, they are, and we aren't winning.
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Are you kidding me?

He led his team back after a TERRIBLE 1st half and drew up the winning play for them which worked PERFECTLY.

That's coaching at the highest level.
That was poor executing from Raptors side. Too many TOs and extremely poor defense on 4th quarter. Harris went to basketball as he wishes and VC got hot. And is not like Nets won by a huge difference, they just got lucky and Raptors got sloppy.
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You're right Cling. absolutely bang on re: tonights game. I'd like to think that Sam has had games where he adjusted things and switched stuff up at halftime accordingly, but this loss definitely was a poor reflection of his strategies.
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You're right Cling. absolutely bang on re: tonights game. I'd like to think that Sam has had games where he adjusted things and switched stuff up at halftime accordingly, but this loss definitely was a poor reflection of his strategies.
i think if you're a halfcourt team like the Raptors are, you have to be able to execute your offense to get a good shot at least 7 out of ever 10 possessions. how many times do you see Jose or parker, or Bargnani standing thirty feet from the basket with the shot clock winding down looking for help to reset the same fucking play they just ran. I'd like to think sam has adjusted, but this year, we aren't a tough team to scout. pressure the ball, trap the screen on the high screen and roll and this team will basically have to rely on Bosh to bail them out. has that not been happening more often than not lately?

48 minutes, that means you too sam.
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Old 11-21-2008, 10:54 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Parker choking on the front end of his two freethrows. It's like clockwork. He does it every time without fail.

Not to mention he calls a timeout when he had Bosh wide open 3 feet away on the inbounds pass. Make the fucking pass you ballless piece of excrement. That play left the door open for NJ.


Cling, what adjustments are you supposed to make exactly when you got an 18 point lead at the half?

We should of been more ready for the zone defense. But when you're up by 18, making adjustments is tough.

It's the same game as the first half, and the Nets aren't coming at them in the second half with anything they havn't seen before.

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i think if you're a halfcourt team like the Raptors are, you have to be able to execute your offense to get a good shot at least 7 out of ever 10 possessions. how many times do you see Jose or parker, or Bargnani standing thirty feet from the basket with the shot clock winding down looking for help to reset the same fucking play they just ran. I'd like to think sam has adjusted, but this year, we aren't a tough team to scout. pressure the ball, trap the screen on the high screen and roll and this team will basically have to rely on Bosh to bail them out. has that not been happening more often than not lately?

48 minutes, that means you too sam.
You are right on this one ClingRap ... Raptors are easy to shutdown. All you have to do is to trap Jose. I don't think we have an answer unless we have a decent PG backup. Otherwise, Jose has to play big minutes, which means he is not aggressive enough to penetrate as he used to and when he gets tired his shot also doesn't fall anymore at 50% rate.
I am worried about Raptors inability to be creative, they have few plays, most of them based on very safe and predictable patterns.
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Look at how long it took them to figure out the NJ zone. Elementary school coaches know that the way to beat a zone is to beat it down the floor. This team never runs, never pushes the ball up the floor and gives the defense too much time to set up.
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Cling, what adjustments are you supposed to make exactly when you got an 18 point lead at the half?

We should of been more ready for the zone defense. But when you're up by 18, making adjustments is tough.

It's the same game as the first half, and the Nets aren't coming at them in the second half with anything they havn't seen before.
Exactly! We were out coached as always. Raptors were supposed to be up on this team and win the this game but they didn't. Why? Moon taking jumpers, Starters in for the entire 3rd basically. So not only did we get embarrassed on our homecourt but more importantly we JO got injured.
Really how does that happen? Not only was it bad coaching but it was coaching at it's worst level. Sam should be ashamed of himself and so should the team.
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Cling, what adjustments are you supposed to make exactly when you got an 18 point lead at the half?

We should of been more ready for the zone defense. But when you're up by 18, making adjustments is tough.

It's the same game as the first half, and the Nets aren't coming at them in the second half with anything they havn't seen before.
It isn't making an adjustment when you're up 18, but it's being able to weather the obligatory run. they slowly chipped away, and costly turnovers in the half court set led to some easy buckets for harris in transition. again, when you're a half court team, taking care of the ball, getting good shots, and executing consistently on out of bounds plays makes all the different in the world. this team's inability to get easy buckets magnifies missed opportunities.

most importantly, all of the adjustments needed to be made on the defensive end. in my mind, i might've shown more zone, packed the paint a little more, and played Carter straight up with parker. we were indecisive on our doubles, sloppy rotating, and with J.O. out, there was a red carpet ushering guys to the rim.
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It isn't making an adjustment when you're up 18, but it's being able to weather the obligatory run. they slowly chipped away, and costly turnovers in the half court set led to some easy buckets for harris in transition. again, when you're a half court team, taking care of the ball, getting good shots, and executing consistently on out of bounds plays makes all the different in the world. this team's inability to get easy buckets magnifies missed opportunities.

most importantly, all of the adjustments needed to be made on the defensive end. in my mind, i might've shown more zone, packed the paint a little more, and played Carter straight up with parker. we were indecisive on our doubles, sloppy rotating, and with J.O. out, there was a red carpet ushering guys to the rim.
So you're blaming Mitchell for NBA players coughing up the ball time after time like D leaguers!Please??
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