Slam: Raptors one of five teams to make a huge jump
Old 08-01-2012, 03:56 PM   #1 (permalink)
is praying Ross makes us forget Drummomd so people stop whining

Senior Member
 
jeffb's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: YO MAMMA
Posts: 73,202
Representing:
Raptors Slam: Raptors one of five teams to make a huge jump

Not a huge jump imo considering those 23 wins were in a shortened season.


Quote:
BROOKLYN NETS
2011-12 Record: 22-44
2012-13 Projection: 48-34

SACRAMENTO KINGS
2011-12 Record: 22-44
2012-13 Projection: 40-42

GOLDEN STATE WARRIORS
2011-12 Record: 23-43
2012-13 Projection: 39-43

TORONTO RAPTORS
2011-12 Season: 23-43
2012-13 Projection: 37-45

NEW ORLEANS HORNETS
2011-12 Season: 21-45
2012-13 Projection: 42-40
Quote:
The Raptors are a pretty unique team. While nobody was looking, they’ve stockpiled a pretty solid roster, top-to-bottom.

They have two really good point guards in the newly acquired Kyle Lowry and Jose “I Get 9 Dimes Per Game, Somebody Trade For Me” Calderon. Good enough guys on the wing in DeMar DeRozan, the overpaid-but-solid Landry Fields and rookie Terrance Ross.

The team really gets interesting in the post, where they have Andrea Bargnani, who averaged nearly 20 points per contest last season, and Jonas Valanciunas, who they grabbed fifth overall a year ago and will finally join the team for the upcoming season.

Of course, like most teams on this worst-to-first list, the Raptors need some things to break their way. If Valanciunas is as good as people believe he will be, he and Bargnani will turn into quite the tandem in the paint (though I don’t think Bargnani has step foot in the paint since ’96). DeRozan may be a 20 percent career three-point shooter, but he finds ways to score, averaging just shy of 17 points per game in the ’11-12 season.

Fields was an awful signing financially, but there isn’t a team in the NBA that wouldn’t welcome his services. A shooting guard who won’t shoot the team in the foot is a valuable asset. But he’ll need to regain his pre-Melo New York confidence to be really productive.

Ross was a reach at eighth overall, but they must like him to have taken him rather than trade back with a team like Houston who wanted to move up to grab Andre Drummond or Austin Rivers.

The bench is solid. Assuming they hang onto Calderon (if I was running the Bulls, I’d be trying to work something out as we speak), they’ll have a starting caliber point guard alongside Ross, Linas Kleiza (10 and 4 per game last year), Ed Davis and Amir Johnson. They lack a classic sixth man instant-offense guy, but it’s good enough. Good enough for what, you may ask.

Well, this Raptors team won’t be fighting for home court advantage in postseason. They’re not better than Miami, New York, Brooklyn, Indiana, Boston or (probably) Philly, but they’re right there after that. Atlanta and Orlando will likely take steps back next season, opening up the bottom of the conference to a handful of teams. Toronto will be in the thick of the race for those seventh and eighth spots after missing the Playoffs by 12 games last season. That’s improvement.
SLAM ONLINE | Going Somewhere?
jeffb is online now   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 08-01-2012, 04:15 PM   #2 (permalink)
Keep it simple

Senior Member
 
Dario's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Vancouver BC Canada
Posts: 8,206
Representing:
Send a message via Skype™ to Dario
Default

i say 40-42 wins
Dario is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 08-01-2012, 04:21 PM   #3 (permalink)
We going to the 'ship!

Senior Member

 
Ball Don't Lie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 10,701
Representing:
Default

I dont understand the love for the Kings and Hornets. The Hornets are really weak on the bench and their starting lineup hasnt improved leaps and bounds either. The only way they win 30+ games let alone 40+ is if Davis has a Duncan like rookie year, and they acquire a starting SF before the season and some bench pieces.

And the Kings are even more disjointed, and they too didnt add anything to turn their team around.

We have a much better chance at a larger turnaround than these teams as we have a deeper team with more proven players. But again, our success will come from the improvement of Derozan, the rookies impact, and most importantly, how quickly we gel as a team on both sides of the ball.
Ball Don't Lie is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 08-01-2012, 04:36 PM   #4 (permalink)
jonas smellandchewthis

Senior Member
 
thought's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 4,625
Representing:
Default

There's no way the Kings hit 40 wins, not in the Western conference. That squad has improved no doubt, but they're not making that big of a jump with the West being as deep as it is this year.
thought is online now   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 08-01-2012, 05:04 PM   #5 (permalink)
stripes

Senior Member
 
just4_raps's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 1,752
Representing:
Default

39-43
just4_raps is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 08-01-2012, 07:01 PM   #6 (permalink)
the gat'll killya quicker, when I'm drunk off the liquor

The Mara sisters are hot!
 
Bill Haverchuck's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 9,865
Representing:
Default

I'm not sold on the Kings current roster making that kind of a leap, either. Sacramento has a group of talented young individuals, but they don't look like a team. They'd be well served to move a couple of their younger players for a vet presence. I mean, what's the deal with picking up players like Aaron Brooks? The Kings don't have enough guys who look to shoot before passing? I don't get some of their moves. But they might have a potential beast froncourt in two years, with Robinson and Cousins. Unfortunately, right now, they've got mostly shoot first guards and wings.
Bill Haverchuck is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 08-01-2012, 09:51 PM   #7 (permalink)
Masai Ujiri

Senior Member
 
Kirby's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 6,759
Representing:
Default

I'm gonna go on a limb (like I always do), and say no less than .500 for us, but not much neither. The EC is very weak in terms of competition and I believe 42 wins is enough to make the 6th seed, but it all depends on health, and whether the young guys improve like they're suppost to. Otherwise, the roster is indeed solid and depth will be able to win a few extra games in the regular season.
Kirby is online now   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 08-01-2012, 10:21 PM   #8 (permalink)
is praying Ross makes us forget Drummomd so people stop whining

Senior Member
 
jeffb's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: YO MAMMA
Posts: 73,202
Representing:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirby View Post
The EC is very weak in terms of competition and I believe 42 wins is enough to make the 6th seed
based on last year alone i highly doubt that. The 8th seed had a .530 winning percentage. I think you underestimate teams like washington, philadelphia and even milwaukee. i think it'll take 39-40 wins just to sneek into 8th. because beyond miami nobody will dominate, therefore teams like the raps and those teams i just mentioned should be in and around .500 and be competitive vs each other and beat up on the orlando's and charlotte's of the world. look at chicago, any of these teams afraid of them?

Teams that should be above .500- (possibly well above)
Miami
Brooklyn
NYK
Indiana
Boston


Teams that should be around the .500 mark or a little better/competing for 6-7-8 seed
Philadelphia
Milwaukee
Toronto
Chicago
Washington

IMO 42 wins might not even get you 7th. I think you now need 40-41 wins to be an 8th seed.

Last edited by jeffb; 08-02-2012 at 09:53 AM.
jeffb is online now   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 08-02-2012, 09:26 AM   #9 (permalink)
is pounding the rock!

Membres supérieurs
 
DocHoliday99's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Southern Alberta
Posts: 4,742
Representing:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by jeffb View Post
based on last year alone i highly doubt that. The 8th seed had a .530 winning percentage. I think you underestimate teams like washington, philadelphia and even milwaukee. i think it'll take 39-40 wins just to sneek into 8th. because beyond miami nobody will dominate, therefore teams like the raps and those teams i just mentioned should be in and around .500 and be competitive vs each other and beat up on the orlando's and charlotte's of the world. look at chicago, any of these teams afraid of them?

Teams that should be above .500- (possibly well above)
Miami
Brooklyn
NYK
Indiana
Boston


Teams that should be around the .500 mark or a little better/competing for 6-7-8 seed
Philadelphia
Milwaukee
Toronto
Chicago

IMO 42 wins might not even get you 7th. I think you now need 40-41 wins to be an 8th seed.
I see the Bucks just missing the playoffs last year but are much improved and can see them pushing for a sixth or seventh seed.

The Cavs were on a tear last year until Irving got hurt - the team is also better.

Washington will surprise a lot of teams and fans next year - especially if they are healthy.

The Bobcats with Haywood, Biyombo, MKG, Gordon and Sessions with Mullens, TT, Henderson and Walker off the bench will be surprising a lot if they can gel.

I also don't believe the Bulls will struggle as much without Rose as some think. Yes they lost players from their bench as well but seriously, too much is made of Asik and Brewer leaving - the signings of Vlady, Nazr, Nate, Heinrich, Bellineli and Teague will make up for that. I actually feel that Nazr and Boozer will play well together, probably better than with Asik. The Bulls also have Vlady, Boozer, Gibson at PF - the team can go small with one of those at c, most likely when Nate is pushing the speed of the game. When Rose comes back - my guess shortly after the all-star break that team will be much better and will be very dangerous come playoff time.

I don't believe Philly will make the playoffs. I think they will struggle enough that come trade deadline they will trade AI to TO for cap space and assets.

I guess, in short and IMO, they're more teams overall in the EC that are improved enough to make the Conference very exciting this coming year. Sure, not the competition level of the West but much more parity and unknown factors on teams that will make the playoff picture quite interesting.

Last edited by DocHoliday99; 08-02-2012 at 09:31 AM.
DocHoliday99 is online now   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 08-02-2012, 11:42 AM   #10 (permalink)
a baller

Senior Member
 
bjjs's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 7,084
Representing:
Default

I'm not sure 5 teams have ever made jumps like that all in the same season.

That being said - an OKC/Miami final represented a changing of the guard and I wouldnt' be surprised if any of the young teams mentioned in the article pull it together to get into the playoff mix.
bjjs is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 08-02-2012, 01:28 PM   #11 (permalink)
Landing flight 31

Senior Member
 
0nekhmer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Brampton Ontario
Posts: 3,088
Representing:
Default

they're actually expecting us to be good?
0nekhmer is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 08-02-2012, 02:21 PM   #12 (permalink)
is a free agent

Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2011
Posts: 1,792
Representing:
Default

Wishful thinking lol
Tommy C is online now   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 08-02-2012, 03:42 PM   #13 (permalink)
from Toronto

Raps-on-Fire
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 240
Representing:
Default

If we do not lose our key players (like Barg, DD, Lowry, etc.) due to injuries, then we are capable of achieving 45+ wins.

We have a solid starting/backup roster lineup for 2012-13 season, so we should be good enough to make it to playoff this season.
wchoi213 is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 08-02-2012, 04:29 PM   #14 (permalink)
LOG
is pounding the rock!

Senior Member
 
LOG's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Toronto
Posts: 8,115
Representing:
Default

Our bench will give us a lot of wins
LOG is online now   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 08-02-2012, 04:38 PM   #15 (permalink)
and a 1, and a 2, and a 1,2,3,4!

Senior Member
 
pzabby's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: toronto
Posts: 6,894
Representing:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by wchoi213 View Post
If we do not lose our key players (like Barg, DD, Lowry, etc.) due to injuries, then we are capable of achieving 45+ wins.

We have a solid starting/backup roster lineup for 2012-13 season, so we should be good enough to make it to playoff this season.
so you're saying this team is on par or near the level of the 06-07 team? I love this team and even I don't think that highly of them. if we had AI instead of caldy on this team, then maybe, just maybe, if every single thing went right, thne I'd agree. but otherwise, 40 wins maximum. I don't see this team hitting 50 percent. think we'll be eighth with this in mind.
pzabby is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 08-02-2012, 05:37 PM   #16 (permalink)
is praying Ross makes us forget Drummomd so people stop whining

Senior Member
 
jeffb's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: YO MAMMA
Posts: 73,202
Representing:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by LOG View Post
Our bench will give us a lot of wins

Really? Imo our bench is a weakness, Calderon/Ross/Kleiza/Davis/Gray doesn't give me great confidence on either end.
jeffb is online now   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 08-02-2012, 05:44 PM   #17 (permalink)
the boss

Senior Member
 
DonMughal's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Mississauga
Posts: 4,097
Representing:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by jeffb View Post
Really? Imo our bench is a weakness, Calderon/Ross/Kleiza/Davis/Gray doesn't give me great confidence on either end.
Why? I think that's a solid bench. No real weakness at any position. They are all capable starters. Even Amir can play with Davis aswell if he's still here.
DonMughal is online now   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 08-02-2012, 06:00 PM   #18 (permalink)
LOG
is pounding the rock!

Senior Member
 
LOG's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Toronto
Posts: 8,115
Representing:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by jeffb View Post
Really? Imo our bench is a weakness, Calderon/Ross/Kleiza/Davis/Gray doesn't give me great confidence on either end.
How many pg's can you name that are better than Jose of the bench?
Ross is still a question so we will have to wait, Kleiza seems to be in great shape now he will be very effective. Amir/Ed is far from weakness as a second unit, and for C I think JV will come of the bench at first
LOG is online now   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 08-02-2012, 06:39 PM   #19 (permalink)
La Decima!!!!!

Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Posts: 7,223
Representing:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by DonMughal View Post
Why? I think that's a solid bench. No real weakness at any position. They are all capable starters. Even Amir can play with Davis aswell if he's still here.
This. Jose is probably the best backup PG in the league. LKZ chips in nicely when he plays 20-24 mpg. Amir +/or ED would do well against other backup bigs. Ross would get to develop nicely off the bench not playing against starters.
LET'S GO RAPTORS!!!!! is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 08-02-2012, 06:49 PM   #20 (permalink)
the gat'll killya quicker, when I'm drunk off the liquor

The Mara sisters are hot!
 
Bill Haverchuck's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 9,865
Representing:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by jeffb View Post
Really? Imo our bench is a weakness, Calderon/Ross/Kleiza/Davis/Gray doesn't give me great confidence on either end.
Against other teams benches, that lineup should be fine defensively. But it's not like 2nd units all get subbed in as a five man unit. The minutes will be staggered, usually allowing for a starter or two to be on the court at all times, so Casey can cover deficiencies for some of the minutes.

BTW, Jonas and Amir will be playing some minutes with that second unit because Gray will start some games, even though Amir will likely get more MPG over the course of the full season. I expect it to vary depending on the size of the opposing center. Gray likely starts against the real huge bodies.

Amir has good chemistry with Caldy, so when they're together on the second unit, they will work well. Back in 2010, when Jarret Jack took over as starter, Caldy actually looked for his shot more. Calderon torched some opposing 2nd units when the Raps went on that run before Bosh got hurt. And, when healthy, I think Kleiza can be a solid contributor. Ross? Who knows? He's the real wildcard.
Bill Haverchuck is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 01:53 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.1
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright RaptorsForum.com 2005-2011

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24