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Old 01-10-2014, 10:40 PM   #141 (permalink)
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Nobody is saying there isn't talent. Just not the kind of talent that is getting hyped.

Van Gundy called the Raptors resurgent on tonight's espn matchup. Is he reading this thread?
I saw his bit with Popovich. Guess he's another basketball comedian.
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Old 01-10-2014, 11:05 PM   #142 (permalink)
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The only thing that is easy is losing.
not quite - as this season shown
nothing is easy if you have enough competition for it
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Old 01-10-2014, 11:08 PM   #143 (permalink)
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My point is that its not very likely you get a rotation player with late picks.

Chandler Parsons
Manu Ginobli
IT2
Amir Johnson
Tony Parker
Kawai Leonard
Kenneth Faried
DeJuan Blair
Ben Wallace
Jeremy Lin
Patrick Beverly
Omer Asik
Lance Stephenson.

feels like kindergarten time, but here it is:

not likely is not the same as not possible. Not likely means the chance is low, as in 25% low. Is it really that hard to understand, or you're just pretending?
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Old 01-10-2014, 11:11 PM   #144 (permalink)
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Da fuq? This link/chart is complete bullshit for many reasons but this is the most glaring. Or maybe their definition of bust for a top 5 pick is much different than mine.
if somebody tells you that spring days are likely to be warmer than winter days, do you argue with them and give them examples on how on february 25th there were 16 degrees and on March 29th there were only 12, so that means they are wrong? Because that is what you are doing now ...

saying that top 5 picks tend to be solid/stars is not the same as saying that no busts were ever drafted top 5... pretty big difference in fact.
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Old 01-10-2014, 11:13 PM   #145 (permalink)
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Right now, we'd have the 17th overall pick.

Players drafted at 17 in the past:

2013- Dennis Schroder
2012-Tyler Zeller
2011- Iman Shumpert
2010- Kevin Seraphin
2009- Jrue Holiday
2008- Roy Hibbert
2007- Sean Williams
2006- Shawne Williams
2005- Danny Granger
2004- Josh Smith

So, out of those 10 drafts, the 17th selection has produced only two players who aren't in the NBA anymore (Williams is a FA as of earlier this week). Not only that, but it's produced 4 players who are legit all stars in the NBA (Holiday, Smith, Granger, Hibbert)

Not to bad.
damn, let's hope we don't get to pick 16th and avoid the magic draft position and instead have to draft someone like joey graham again
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Old 01-10-2014, 11:34 PM   #146 (permalink)
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feels like kindergarten time, but here it is:

not likely is not the same as not possible. Not likely means the chance is low, as in 25% low. Is it really that hard to understand, or you're just pretending?
25% is you guessing, which is a lousy guess even for a finger-painting teacher.

Sorry, not buying your condescending shtick.
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Old 01-10-2014, 11:40 PM   #147 (permalink)
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damn, let's hope we don't get to pick 16th and avoid the magic draft position and instead have to draft someone like joey graham again
Maybe you would learn to read and understand.

As posted- "right now we have the 17th draft position"

If we had the 14th or 15th or 18th, he would have referenced those to see how they were historically and what the results were.

Better stick to your finger-painting- less challenging
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I think it's a bit difficult to use stays in this situation regardless. Each draft class has no correlation with one another. Could get a steal or a bust with any pick.
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Old 01-11-2014, 02:23 AM   #149 (permalink)
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Jonathan Givony, probably the guy with the best draft track record ever. And clearly NBA scouts must be seeing the talent if so many teams are tanking this year.
It's a desperation ploy... one that you can easily sell to your ignorant fans.

"Hey! We might suck now but come see us NEXT year when we have "Player X", the guy who once dropped 60 in a HS game and was pretty good in college!"

Good teams don't give a rat's ass about the draft (exaggerating here a bit since they still do their homework).... because they're too busy building winning teams with good systems.
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Old 01-11-2014, 04:02 AM   #150 (permalink)
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if somebody tells you that spring days are likely to be warmer than winter days, do you argue with them and give them examples on how on february 25th there were 16 degrees and on March 29th there were only 12, so that means they are wrong? Because that is what you are doing now ...

saying that top 5 picks tend to be solid/stars is not the same as saying that no busts were ever drafted top 5... pretty big difference in fact.
No. when someone tells me EVERY winter day is worse than -40 I tend to find that bullshit which is exactly what that chart was. All tops five picks are not busts. Every part of it is a lie. Period. Its ridiculous you would even argue this.
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25% is you guessing, which is a lousy guess even for a finger-painting teacher.

Sorry, not buying your condescending shtick.
no, it's not me - it's basketball-reference, which is a very respectable website. i didn't write the article, just linked to it ...
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. Its ridiculous you would even argue this.

yes, it is, just not the way you mean it ...
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Old 01-11-2014, 10:34 AM   #153 (permalink)
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25% is you guessing, which is a lousy guess even for a finger-painting teacher.

Sorry, not buying your condescending shtick.
btw, just noticed the author of the articles is in fact Roland Beach, who is a pretty well known guy and respected enough to go from blogger to being hired by the mavs a while ago. You know, that lousy organization who won 50 games for 12 seasons in row ...
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no, it's not me - it's basketball-reference, which is a very respectable website. i didn't write the article, just linked to it ...
As much as I love stats, the correlation from one draft to another is not there. We can compare players as much as we want, but without any correlation other than all these players are entering the NBA draft, the statistics are almost hard to take into consideration. It's like saying that if one year out of everyone who graduated high school, 25% went on to be carpenters. Because the next year is a completely different random sample of students, then there is no correlation, and the statistics are very skeptical to apply and make these assumptions.
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As much as I love stats, the correlation from one draft to another is not there. We can compare players as much as we want, but without any correlation other than all these players are entering the NBA draft, the statistics are almost hard to take into consideration. It's like saying that if one year out of everyone who graduated high school, 25% went on to be carpenters. Because the next year is a completely different random sample of students, then there is no correlation, and the statistics are very skeptical to apply and make these assumptions.
correlation has no place in this - the whole argument started when somebody said that it's not "likely" to draft a good player outside the lottery. That statistic shows that it is indeed the case. In a random draft, the chances of drafting a solid or better player are only 1 in 4. So the OP was absolutely correct in his statement. The OP (nor me) didn't claim that next year we have a 25% of drafting a good player. For all we know, maybe next draft 50% of non-lottery players end up as solid, or maybe only 5%. All we can tell, in advance, is that it's not likely.
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We are currently looking at specific positions in the draft. You can only make proper regressions with correlations. It has everything to do with the fundamentals of statistics.
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Bill and Jalen just called us fool's gold diggers. Jalen said that we will make moves to ensure we're not a playoff team involving Lowry. Hah. These guys are the pinnacle of analysis, huh.
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It's a desperation ploy... one that you can easily sell to your ignorant fans.

"Hey! We might suck now but come see us NEXT year when we have "Player X", the guy who once dropped 60 in a HS game and was pretty good in college!"

Good teams don't give a rat's ass about the draft (exaggerating here a bit since they still do their homework).... because they're too busy building winning teams with good systems.
Yes, those guys who were pretty good in college never do well in the NBA. Such false hope they're selling the fans. They should just cut the draft off and send all the talent to the good teams.
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Bill and Jalen just called us fool's gold diggers. Jalen said that we will make moves to ensure we're not a playoff team involving Lowry. Hah. These guys are the pinnacle of analysis, huh.
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