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Old 04-01-2009, 09:02 AM   #1 (permalink)
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I made my case for Bargnani at the beginning of the year. I predicted big things. I wrote that I was shocked to see the newly-sculpted Italian show up for Raptors training camp at Carleton University in Ottawa, Canada. He had obviously spent the summer weight-lifting. I said he would be great this season. Of course, I also thought the Raptors would be a great team. So I am one-for-two, which wouldn’t have served me well in Vegas.

I still feel proud of myself that I predicted big things for Bargnani. And I had hoped to draft him for my team in the Arvydas Sabonis fantasy basketball league, but apparently the team named Il Mago had even higher expectations for the guy and duly drafted him earlier than I thought the Italian should have gone. That is neither here nor there. What is of significance is that I went to the Raptors-Clippers game this past weekend to give the Roman a look-see. True to his enigmatic form, Bargnani did not suit up because of a foot problem. I should have done my research before showing up at the game.

In any case, I did get the chance to speak to the man who found Bargnani, Raptors Assistant General Manager Maurizio Gherardhini. It was he who took the young teen Bargnani from Rome to Treviso, Italy with plans of developing him into a star player in the Italian league. Of course, Gherardhini had been down this road before, investing time and money in NBA flame-outs such as Bostjan Nachbar and Nikoloz Tskitishzivili. That experience would have probably restrained him from predicting incredibly great things for Bargnani.

Jumping forward to the present day, anyone could make a reasonable argument that the kid named Il Mago deserved to be picked first overall. Before you jump on me and yell Brandon Roy, let’s go back to the 2006 Draft.
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Old 04-01-2009, 04:09 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Great article, what it doesn't say is how Smitch almost ruined his career.
I won't rehash points everyones made but it's safe to say it the Smitch were still here, Andrea would be languishing
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Old 04-01-2009, 04:11 PM   #3 (permalink)
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lol yea everybody agrees with that.... jay didnt just start him cuz JO went down. BC didnt just go out and get a STARTING C, being paid 20 some mil a year to replace AB as starter. It was all Sam. I love that arguement tho.
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Old 04-01-2009, 04:52 PM   #4 (permalink)
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It's safe to say that the kid played great for the first seventeen games this season.

And if BC and Gherardini are that brutally awful to allow a coach to ruin a player's career - and their number one pick to boot - then we should all be very afraid.
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Old 04-01-2009, 05:02 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Mitchell didn't hurt Bargnani at all.

Perhaps treating Bargnani like an adult and holding him accountable toughened him up. Maybe Smitch helped him man up a little.

What you're seeing now is the effect, and maybe you're giving Triano credit for Mitchells work.

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Old 04-01-2009, 05:39 PM   #6 (permalink)
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I don't think Triano deserves credit either. Who else was he suppose to start when JO went down?
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I think Doc would've liked to see voskuhl start lol joking.
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Great article, what it doesn't say is how Smitch almost ruined his career.
I won't rehash points everyones made but it's safe to say it the Smitch were still here, Andrea would be languishing
Good lord!
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I don't think Triano deserves credit either. Who else was he suppose to start when JO went down?
Exactly! Triano gets no credit. Once JO went down for 3-4 weeks he had no choice but to start Andrea, and he ran with it.
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Great read, gotta love Slam!

To me, I think the comparisons to Lamar kind of confuse me. Andrea is stronger, has better footwork, and is more of a pass first player IMO. Really, I compare him to Dirk or maybe even Okur (?)

Oh, and I'm glad to see that TO considered Roy
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Old 04-02-2009, 11:00 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Great article, what it doesn't say is how Smitch almost ruined his career.
I won't rehash points everyones made but it's safe to say it the Smitch were still here, Andrea would be languishing
Sam ruined his career ... how so?
I mean, you really think that all that development took an impressive turn only after 2 weeks under Triano? Jeez ... stop with these stupid ideas. First of all, 90% of where Bargs is now is because of Bargs. Even in the article is saying that Bargs showed up in trainning camp looking extremely well. The rest is just the conjuncture .... the development of players is not a 2 week period with Weekend Crash Courses.

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I have a feeling that Sam helped Andrea in terms of mental toughness, where as Jay allowed Bargnani the freedom of playing and expanding his game where as Mitchell was more constrictive of Bargnani's offensive role (in his rookie year Bargs simply floated around the perimeter where as his second year he trying to be established more as a post player).
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I think there were a number of circumstances that came together around the same time. Not the least of which were the shape Bargnani got himself into over the summer and his improved over-all health.
Also, when Smitch and JO were still here there was too much confusion as to where to play Andrea, how many minutes, how best to utilize his offensive skills and minimize his defensive issues on the wing, etc.
Remember, BC was pushing to start Bargs at the three, to which Sam was resistant for obvious reasons. JO getting hurt allowed him to step in and seize the opportunity for steady PT. He knows when and where he's going to play and where his shots are coming from. You can't underestimate the value of a clearly defined role.
Some of the credit for that can go to Triano. He seems to give the guys a longer leash out there. You can't deny that under Sam's tenure, Andrea looked like a deer caught in the headlights.
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95% of the credit goes to andreea who put the time during the summer. Sam takes the blame for starting him at SF despite obvious evidence that it was a very bad idea for his long term development. It's a classic case of a coach thinking short term vs a general manager who looks at the long term scenario.
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Some of the credit for that can go to Triano. He seems to give the guys a longer leash out there. You can't deny that under Sam's tenure, Andrea looked like a deer caught in the headlights.
See i think Triano pulls guys way too early, especially when they start getting into a groove early in the game.Often i've seen a player such as Andrea knock down 6-8 points in the first 5-6 minutes and then he sits him down, which imo is way too early. As for Andrea looking like a deer caught in the headlights, i disagree in his first year when he looked quite good most nights and was voted runner up for rookie of the year. Last season he lost his confidence after a poor start and nagging injuries. As for this season, he started off inconsistent and with the addition JO it made him the odd man out. So i chalk alot of last year and the first month of this season more to circumstance than Sam. The fact is, if JO stays healthy and isn't traded Bargs is probably still struggling.
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See i think Triano pulls guys way too early, especially when they start getting into a groove early in the game.Often i've seen a player such as Andrea knock down 6-8 points in the first 5-6 minutes and then he sits him down, which imo is way too early. As for Andrea looking like a deer caught in the headlights, i disagree in his first year when he looked quite good most nights and was voted runner up for rookie of the year. Last season he lost his confidence after a poor start and nagging injuries. As for this season, he started off inconsistent and with the addition JO it made him the odd man out. So i chalk alot of last year and the first month of this season more to circumstance than Sam. The fact is, if JO stays healthy and isn't traded Bargs is probably still struggling.
not sure what to comment on this without sounding insulting, but if you watched any games lately, you should know that Andreea almost always plays the full first quarter, it's Bosh who goes to the bench first, and then Andreea goes after the quarter is over.
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not sure what to comment on this without sounding insulting, but if you watched any games lately, you should know that Andreea almost always plays the full first quarter, it's Bosh who goes to the bench first, and then Andreea goes after the quarter is over.
Oh calm down. I said i've seen him do this and often. But you're right, lately he's been letting Bargnani play most of the 1st quarter. But the first 2-3 months it wasn't the case, and it wasn't just Bargnani, i was just using him as an example.
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ok

I think mitchell was fanatical about this thing, and I didn't notice it much with triano. As a matter of fact, triano will often play guus with 2 fouls, which mitchell never did. If you remember the thread where people were questioning why andreea gets pulled so soon when he played so few minutes anyway, so he never got close to fouling out.
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