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Old 12-06-2011, 06:14 PM   #21 (permalink)
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it's a solid guess... though my guess is the opposite. I don't think Ed can handle the C spot like a Chandler.... but it's just an opinion.
I agree. I think Casey will use a strategy/style similar to what Carlisle used on Dirk with Bargs; and use JV like he (Casey) used Chandler for. I'd rather see the spreading of the floor on O with Bargs than a cluster party in the middle. On D, well thats on every one

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Old 12-06-2011, 06:15 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Besides, Bargs will be fine defensively. Ed Davis is not the savior at PF as some seem to make him look like. JV / Bargs is a better combination IMO than JV / Davis. Ellis is a horrid defender. Bayless definitely will improve and is showing so.
Ed Davis may not be our saviour but imo he's by far the best chance we currently have at an all around intelligent PF who can defend, altar shots, block shots and i think will eventually be a decent scorer. He should be this teams future PF unless they draft yet another big in the next draft.
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More scoring non defenders for elite scorers.

I think it would be decent, but Im sorta liking Bayless a bit as much as he chucks the ball. I think he has his moments and can finally show what he can offer after being stuck on the bench with Portland and NO.

I think something can be done along the lines of
Bargnani + Calderon + Barbosa + 2nd rounder

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Ellis + Biedrins + 2012/2013 1st rounder
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Old 12-06-2011, 06:41 PM   #24 (permalink)
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Ed Davis may not be our saviour but imo he's by far the best chance we currently have at an all around intelligent PF who can defend, altar shots, block shots and i think will eventually be a decent scorer. He should be this teams future PF unless they draft yet another big in the next draft.
I just simply disagree with you there. I don't believe he should be, or will even be on the team by next year TBH. Emotions tend to run high at the mere mention of Bargs' name and because of that he's sold short now but I firmly believe he'll surpise a number of people this coming year.
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I just simply disagree with you there. I don't believe he should be, or will even be on the team by next year TBH. Emotions tend to run high at the mere mention of Bargs' name and because of that he's sold short now but I firmly believe he'll surpise a number of people this coming year.
Mehh, i've heard that for 6 years. And until last season i was a believer. Davis missed 6 weeks last season + training camp and had triple the double doubles Bargnani had, all the while being 30lbs lighter and 4 years younger. Bargnani may just surprise most, but i won't hold my breath.
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I just simply disagree with you there. I don't believe he should be, or will even be on the team by next year TBH. Emotions tend to run high at the mere mention of Bargs' name and because of that he's sold short now but I firmly believe he'll surpise a number of people this coming year.
thats nice that you believe year after year after year dispite really anything to jusity those believes. that's good though i guess.....means you have faith.
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Every year, I keep hearing its Bargnani's year. Last year was his true year to show us how good he really can be not playing under the shadow of Bosh. It was a huge disappointment, since all he wanted to do was score. When he tries hard like we saw 2-3 times the entire season he's ok at defense and can grab more boards than he avgs. Other than that he just loafs around waiting for the ball to fall in his hands. Having a defensive coach might change his attitude, but a lot of us are being impatient with Bargnani's true potential
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thats nice that you believe year after year after year dispite really anything to jusity those believes. that's good though i guess.....means you have faith.
Of course I have faith...not just in Bargs but all the Raps' players and it's really the only reason I watch the Raptors cause there has been little to justify more than faith.
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Of course I have faith...not just in Bargs but all the Raps' players and it's really the only reason I watch the Raptors cause there has been little to justify more than faith.
so you have faith in davis?
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so you have faith in davis?
I do, I just feel JV and Bargs will potentially compliment each other better than JV and Davis. Not an indictment on Davis, just my personal opinion
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Old 12-06-2011, 07:36 PM   #32 (permalink)
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I'd do it. A Jose-Demar-Monta backcourt rotation would be pretty fun to watch (offensively, anyway).
Heh, not sure Slam Mag has ever given a real shit about defence.... hahaha
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I do, I just feel JV and Bargs will potentially compliment each other better than JV and Davis. Not an indictment on Davis, just my personal opinion
I can appreciate your perspective. I find many prefer the 'he must go' philosophy of leaf fans in this city. It's generally narrow-minded and driven by a mob-mentality. The reality of it is that a basketball roster is a fluid concept... nobody really knows who's going to be on this team in two years. Let's just enjoy it and not be so pessimistic and negative.

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Take the trade right away, ellis is already a star and is destined to improve dramatically. Though his defence is not amazing, is anyone we have got better? him and Demar would be a good match and would be exciting to see.
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I can appreciate your perspective. I find many prefer the 'he must go' philosophy of leaf fans in this city. It's generally narrow-minded and driven by a mob-mentality. The reality of it is that a basketball roster is a fluid concept... nobody really knows who's going to be on this team in two years. Let's just enjoy it and not be so pessimistic and negative.

Go Raptors.
So because I see Davis as a better fit for Casey, and do not subscribe to the "must go" philosophy regarding Ed, I am guilty of being narrow-minded and following a mob into a pit of negativity. Do I have that straight?

If Davis proves to be a better fit with what Casey wants to do now, but gets moved with the idea that the year of Bargnani is actually fucking next year with Jonas carrying his nutsack for him, then a basketball roster is beyond fluid in this town, it's beyond hope, and anyone insisting on positivity will driven by the worst homerism imaginable.

Ed Davis plays the game of basketball on both ends of the court. He has great instincts. He stays a half-step ahead of the play and anticipates where he needs to be. You don't move a payer like that for anything less than a borderline all-star, or if he gets crowded out by an All-Star playing the same position. If anything, he could end up being used as a piece to convince another team to take a package that inludes Bargnani, and then we can all be miserable.

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So because I see Davis as a better fit for Casey, and do not subscribe to the "must go" philosophy regarding Ed, I am guilty of being narrow-minded and following a mob into a pit of negativity. Do I have that straight?

If Davis proves to be a better fit with what Casey wants to do now, but gets moved with the idea that the year of Bargnani is actually fucking next year with Jonas carrying his nutsack for him, then a basketball roster is beyond fluid in this town, it's beyond hope, and anyone insisting on positivity will driven by the worst homerism imaginable.

Ed Davis plays the game of basketball on both ends of the court. He has great instincts. He stays a half-step ahead of the play and anticipates where he needs to be. You don't move a payer like that for anything less than a borderline all-star, or if he gets crowded out by an All-Star playing the same position. If anything, he could end up being used as a piece to convince another team to take a package that inludes Bargnani, and then we can all be miserable.
I wasn't referring to you... in fact, earlier I said your perspective had great merit. Not sure why you're gertting so worked up which is obvious from the words you choose.

I never said Ed Davis was a bad player or questioned that he had value.... don't take things to be so black and white.

So the answer is, no, you don't have it straight. In fact, where did I say LX thinks this way?
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So because I see Davis as a better fit for Casey, and do not subscribe to the "must go" philosophy regarding Ed, I am guilty of being narrow-minded and following a mob into a pit of negativity. Do I have that straight?

If Davis proves to be a better fit with what Casey wants to do now, but gets moved with the idea that the year of Bargnani is actually fucking next year with Jonas carrying his nutsack for him, then a basketball roster is beyond fluid in this town, it's beyond hope, and anyone insisting on positivity will driven by the worst homerism imaginable.

Ed Davis plays the game of basketball on both ends of the court. He has great instincts. He stays a half-step ahead of the play and anticipates where he needs to be. You don't move a payer like that for anything less than a borderline all-star, or if he gets crowded out by an All-Star playing the same position. If anything, he could end up being used as a piece to convince another team to take a package that inludes Bargnani, and then we can all be miserable.
so Davis is worth an Allstar return in a trade, or near allstar?

wow...

The delusion with PFs continues.
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I wasn't referring to you... in fact, earlier I said your perspective had great merit. Not sure why you're gertting so worked up which is obvious from the words you choose.

I never said Ed Davis was a bad player or questioned that he had value.... don't take things to be so black and white.

So the answer is, no, you don't have it straight. In fact, where did I say LX thinks this way?
Ok cool - you weren't referring to me. Who were these narrow-minded multitudes? The trade suggested came from an outsider. Doc made a reasonable objection to the thought process involved. And then you threw Ed under the bus, or at least threw out the idea of moving him a little too flippantly to really recognize his value, which should be quite high in Casey's mind if he speaks the truth.

I got worked up because you are busy painting in blacks and whites. That is positive. That is negative. There is plenty of passion on all sides and that should be some indication of enjoyment as a fan. I mostly got worked up due to my own passions, and was expressing them strongly - nothing personal there. I would just hate to see the proper process of building a team mucked up with some idea of projecting JV to be the perfect compliment to AB. AB needs to earn his future on this team for once, starting now. I'll be more than happy if he does.
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so Davis is worth an Allstar return in a trade, or near allstar?

wow...

The delusion with PFs continues.
Yeah - nice reading. Who let you out of the trade suggestion thread? You don't give away a two way player like that at any position for anything less than a clear upgrade, which would have to be a player with the potential of being an all-star. What don't you get?
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