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Old 07-23-2012, 10:58 AM   #61 (permalink)
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i'd just like to say that i agree with every post LX has made in this thread (preach on). The only thing that pisses me off even more is that on top of the off-putting appearance of why fields was signed (the whole Nash thing), the fact that plan A was throw a boat of money to a (almost) 40 year old PG. I mean that's just such a shitty looking plan if you ask me, and to throw all your eggs into that basket?

What happened to Colangelo tapping into the European leagues to find some diamonds? what happened to the good scouting? Does Gherardini still work here? this team pisses me off.
I've wondered this myself for a while now.
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Old 07-23-2012, 11:08 AM   #62 (permalink)
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All of the NBA is mining the European Leagues now. It's treated the same as if it was another NCAA conference.
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Old 07-23-2012, 11:26 AM   #63 (permalink)
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Fields is a good player. Overpaid on paper? Yeah sure but there are a lot worst contracts in the NBA right now. He gets a chance to prove he is worth it at least. There is a chance he does it also. Good talent.
+1 Totally agree. Asik's three-year, $25.1 million is insane compare to Field's contract. Also, the 3rd is a good one though since he is off the books in case of a trade.
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Paying LF for 6.25M is pretty good investment, as this guy knows how to consistently rebound and steal the ball. Also he has not missed any game in his NBA career. That's a good thing that he is FAR from bench warming injury prone.

Why do we care so much about his stats, when we already have several offensive players already? If Casey will maintain his Defense-first system, then Fields can be one of the best starting players in this system. Also, looking through the FA list for small forward position, who else could provide better D than Fields? I can only think of 3 players, Gerald Wallace, Nicolas Batum, and Grant Hill.

Wallace - we needed to offer at least 10M/yr or even more, if we wanted to compete with Nets. He's aging and will eventually lose his athleticism (which was the biggest strength of him)

Batum - Again, we already saw Wolves offered 10M/yr to this skinny boy and Blazers matched the offer. We would not have been able to get him anyways.

Hill - I bet this man would not have chased after $$$, but rather chased for championship ring. That being said, Raptors was not the team that he would have ever considered atm.

Also, I don't agree with Brandon Rush deal, as we already have two SGs (DD and Ross). Raps needed unselfish player who could play as a 4th scoring option - behind Barg, DD, and Lowry. Fields can be the best fit for that.

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+1 Totally agree. Asik's three-year, $25.1 million is insane compare to Field's contract. Also, the 3rd is a good one though since he is off the books in case of a trade.
Asik's contract sounded a lot worse than any other trades.

Feel sad for Bulls next year, as Rose will be out for first half (or even more) of the season and they lost their bench players via FA market.

But yet they are still loaded with Salary cap and another big overpay for Taj Gibson is waiting.

I hope they will trade Luol Deng for cheaper young guys in Raps roaster

Still arguing about Derozan + Davis + pick for Deng....
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Old 07-23-2012, 02:20 PM   #66 (permalink)
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i'd just like to say that i agree with every post LX has made in this thread (preach on). The only thing that pisses me off even more is that on top of the off-putting appearance of why fields was signed (the whole Nash thing), the fact that plan A was throw a boat of money to a (almost) 40 year old PG. I mean that's just such a shitty looking plan if you ask me, and to throw all your eggs into that basket?
I was against it, but I can understand the temptation. I don't think getting Nash and hopefully using that as a platform to get AI or Deng would have been a horrible plan. Just not my preferred route. But lots of people here, perhaps a large majority would have liked it. Add to that the business aspect of it and it's a very defendable move imo.

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What happened to Colangelo tapping into the European leagues to find some diamonds? what happened to the good scouting? Does Gherardini still work here? this team pisses me off.
It appears that our european connections were critical in getting JV, so you have that. But overall, having a slight advantage over the rest of the league is not going to translate into massive results. The european leagues are well scouted and there just aren't that many good players coming from there, and they come, they usually get drafted ahead of us.

The days of getting manu in the 2nd round are not coming back and with the internet and global coverage, even casual fans know more about europe than most GMS knew 10 years ago.
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I was against it, but I can understand the temptation. I don't think getting Nash and hopefully using that as a platform to get AI or Deng would have been a horrible plan. Just not my preferred route. But lots of people here, perhaps a large majority would have liked it. Add to that the business aspect of it and it's a very defendable move imo.



It appears that our european connections were critical in getting JV, so you have that. But overall, having a slight advantage over the rest of the league is not going to translate into massive results. The european leagues are well scouted and there just aren't that many good players coming from there, and they come, they usually get drafted ahead of us.

The days of getting manu in the 2nd round are not coming back and with the internet and global coverage, even casual fans know more about europe than most GMS knew 10 years ago.
agree with the euro thing, also in an interview i heard after the draft, they were discussing how this year's draft had no euros until pretty late in the draft and basically they came to reason that there are good players in europe but they're not pumping them out like americans, the nba has pretty much picked it dry in europe and we need to wait a few years for some young guys to develop
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agree with the euro thing, also in an interview i heard after the draft, they were discussing how this year's draft had no euros until pretty late in the draft and basically they came to reason that there are good players in europe but they're not pumping them out like americans, the nba has pretty much picked it dry in europe and we need to wait a few years for some young guys to develop
How long has BC been here? Why didn't we get to take part in picking it dry?

I did fail to give him credit or Jonas. There is that at least.
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Valanciunas has been jinxed big time.

Everybody including myself is taking for granted he's a sure thing when he could easily be Darko.
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Valanciunas has been jinxed big time.

Everybody including myself is taking for granted he's a sure thing when he could easily be Darko.
Right now I'm just praying that he's a Biedrins (when he was healthy).

If he's a Darko..... .... I'm not sure that I could stand another disappointment like that.
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Valanciunas has been jinxed big time.

Everybody including myself is taking for granted he's a sure thing when he could easily be Darko.
Well difference between him and Darko is JV's high motor.


Hard to be a complete bust when you've got that going for you.
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Valanciunas has been jinxed big time.

Everybody including myself is taking for granted he's a sure thing when he could easily be Darko.
I did want to say that results still needed to be shown, but I figured even though he's not a sure thing, it was a pick I'm very happy with. If he fails, at least it won't be due to the wrong sorts of expectations.
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How long has BC been here? Why didn't we get to take part in picking it dry?

I did fail to give him credit or Jonas. There is that at least.
we drafted an european in 06, had no picks on 07, traded the pick in 08 for a multiple all star in his prime (but coming off a risky injury) and never had a high quality pick again until JV. 4 picks in 6 years, drafted two european players.
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we drafted an european in 06, had no picks on 07, traded the pick in 08 for a multiple all star in his prime (but coming off a risky injury) and never had a high quality pick again until JV. 4 picks in 6 years, drafted two european players.
Add in that during the picking dry, besides Bargnani we also grabbed Jose undrafted around he same time those 2nd round gems like Ginobili were being mined... Before BC's time, of course.

And to your point - the only top 5 picks Colangelo has had here have been Euro picks.
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