Simmons makes up some trades for Toronto
Old 06-23-2011, 08:38 AM   #1 (permalink)
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He made up up a bunch of fake trades and assessed them on a money scale for the sake of filling out his analogy that favors trading "three quarters for a dollar". It's pretty warped, but as far as the Raptors are concerned, these are his insights while categorizing the value of players -

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Quarter/Dime: Quality starters who would become 50 cent pieces if they weren't overpaid, so we're making them worth 35 cents instead. This group has only four players right now: Andre Iguodala, Luol Deng, Kevin Martin, and Andrea Bargnani. And no, Monta Ellis should not be included in this group. Find me eight other guys who can score 25 to 30 points a game and get their shots against anybody. You can't. Eleven million a year is a fair price for him.

Quarter: Quality role players, possible up-and-comers, competent starters, and immediately waivable contracts (like Erick Dampier's contract last August). This is a fun category: For instance, Kendrick Perkins was possibly a 50-cent piece with his old (cheap) contract, but post-extension, he's definitely a quarter. Andrea Bargnani would be a 50-cent piece if he weren't so freaking overpaid. Danilo Gallinari, Wilson Chandler, and Ray Felton all seem like 50-cent pieces, but really, they're quarters. Jeff Green? Definitely a quarter. (Much to every Boston fan's chagrin.) Jared Dudley? The ultimate quarter, with a puncher's chance at becoming a 50-cent piece. You get the idea.
So he has Andrea in two categories, which seems like a fuckup on his part.

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We need to include four more money-related wrinkles before T.M. Picasso starts painting

a. For trade purposes, a future top-10 lottery pick (like what jersey gave Utah in the Williams deal) would be a 50-cent piece; a future first-round pick with potential (like Oklahoma City's throwing in a future Clips pick into the Green/Perkins trade) is a quarter; all other future first-round picks are dimes; and a future second-round pick is a nickel.
b. For the 2011 draft, we're making the no. 1 and no. 2 picks worth 50 cents; picks 3 thru 6 are worth 30 cents; picks 7 thru 12 are worth 25 cents; picks 13 thru 16 are worth 15 cents; every pick from 17 thru 35 is worth 10 cents; everything else is worth a nickel.5
c. If you free cap space in the trade, we're making that a nickel for $2.5 million saved, then another nickel for every $1.25 million after that (with a cap of 25 cents total).
d. The following albatross contracts are worth negative money: Gilbert Arenas, Rashard Lewis, Brandon Roy, Baron Davis (minus-50 cents); Hedo Turkoglu, Josh Childress, Travis Outlaw, Richard Hamilton, Andris Biedrins, Al Harrington (minus-25 cents); Charlie Villanueva, Ron Artest, Andray Blatche, Richard Jefferson, Luke Walton, Beno Udrih, Drew Gooden, Jose Calderon, DeSagana Diop, Francisco Garcia (minus-10 cents).
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Toronto trades Andrea Bargnani (35 cents) to Cleveland for the no. 4 pick (30 cents).

If you're Cleveland, you'd consider it because Bargnani is probably better than anyone you're getting at no. 4. If you're Toronto, you'd jump on it because you're getting out of Bargnani's contract ($41.5 million over the next four years), and because it's always fun to have consecutive top-five picks (and a chance to shape your team for the next 10 years, although that seems much more fun on paper until you remember that Bryan Colangelo would be doing the shaping). I gotta be honest: I think Cleveland can do better with the no. 4.
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Chicago trades Taj Gibson (quarter), Ronnie Brewer (dime), and John Lucas/Jannero Pargo (penny) to Toronto for Andrea Bargnani (quarter) and Solomon Alabi (penny). Final tally: Chicago (26 cents), Toronto (36 cents).

Toronto dumps Bargnani's contract, rolls the dice with Gibson (a possible 50-cent piece for all we know), and gets two rotation guys who actually play defense (unlike everyone on their roster right now). Meanwhile, Bargnani weighs 250 pounds and scores 21 a game he couldn't be Memo Okur 2.0 on the right team? What about the zone defense that Tom Thibodeau will be putting in this this summer after watching how Dallas throttled Miami; couldn't Bargnani at the very least hog some space and throw his arms up in traffic like Dirk did? Think about Chicago at crunch-time: Bargnani, Noah, Deng, Rose, and either Kyle Korver or Free Agent Shooter X a little tougher to stop, right? I'm mildly intrigued.
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Old 06-23-2011, 09:57 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Chicago would have to deal Boozer if they acquire Bargnani, and Boozer's contract is awful.
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Old 06-23-2011, 10:26 AM   #3 (permalink)
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I'm surprised that we haven't more about Bargs being dealt for a top 8 pick.

If we TRULY want to "start over" and let Casey rebuild the team with a defensive mindset then I think it'd be a great move. Shedding his salary would be a nice bonus as well.
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I'm surprised that we haven't more about Bargs being dealt for a top 8 pick.

If we TRULY want to "start over" and let Casey rebuild the team with a defensive mindset then I think it'd be a great move. Shedding his salary would be a nice bonus as well.
One of him or Jose has to go at least imo. And if we get a PG you'd think first up would be Calderon.
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I'm surprised that we haven't more about Bargs being dealt for a top 8 pick.

If we TRULY want to "start over" and let Casey rebuild the team with a defensive mindset then I think it'd be a great move. Shedding his salary would be a nice bonus as well.
I actually think the fact that Casey came from Dallas where Dirk starred with a group of complimentary pieces suggests that Bargnani is still seen as a core piece, and Casey's comments would support that.
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I actually think the fact that Casey came from Dallas where Dirk starred with a group of complimentary pieces suggests that Bargnani is still seen as a core piece, and Casey's comments would support that.
So we just need Dirk then?
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I'm surprised that we haven't more about Bargs being dealt for a top 8 pick.

If we TRULY want to "start over" and let Casey rebuild the team with a defensive mindset then I think it'd be a great move. Shedding his salary would be a nice bonus as well.
If we as a rebuilding team don't want him, why would other teams in the same situation want him with that contract?

I can't think of a team in the top 8 that would want him
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If we as a rebuilding team don't want him, why would other teams in the same situation want him with that contract?

I can't think of a team in the top 8 that would want him
Chicago would be ridiculous with Bargnani at the 4.
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One of him or Jose has to go at least imo. And if we get a PG you'd think first up would be Calderon.
Casey says he really likes Jose. Not his decision if he goes or not, but I'm sure he has influence.
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Casey says he really likes Jose. Not his decision if he goes or not, but I'm sure he has influence.
Theres no place for him if we draft knight/walker.
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Casey says he really likes Jose. Not his decision if he goes or not, but I'm sure he has influence.
What was he gonna say? He hasn't said anything bad about any of our players, do you think we're keeping everyone?
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What was he gonna say? He hasn't said anything bad about any of our players, do you think we're keeping everyone?
yeah exactly when watching the interview with matt devlin, i could tell he was just hiding the flaws that jose cant guard a plyon. i could tell he was thinking about all the weaknesses of jose and Bargs defensively. he was saying to himself "I have a lot on my hands " hahha just speculation
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