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Old 05-31-2014, 10:30 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Personally I see JV more of an asset not because he's the better player of the two, rather it's quite obvious that he has a realistic potential to be that big that's hard to draft or trade for.

Demar, on the other hand, while he is one the best at what he does, can be easily replaced with the countless wings in the league.

That definitely not to negate anything from demar, that's just what it is
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9.5mil/yr for an all-star SG is pretty good imo.
I'd be interested to see who would prefer using Ross as trade bait instead of demar. poll?
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Old 05-31-2014, 10:42 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Well they might not necessarily be better than demar, but they can easily be solid on both end, something demar has yet to offer(still has the potential to) and something that fits better with this team. The sg position has been quite subpar the past few years with Kobe and wade fading , the focus in the league has shifted onto small forwards.

Its hard for me to see demar fitting in with the long term plans. If he doesn't become deluded with the idea of stardom, which I saw plenty of times during the season and playoffs, I would definitely entertain the Idea of him staying. But that's a stretch for many players to keep themselves in check.
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Old 06-01-2014, 12:01 AM   #24 (permalink)
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I'd be interested to see who would prefer using Ross as trade bait instead of demar. poll?
I'd trade DD before Ross. TR imo has a higher ceiling because he can defend and hit 3's already. And he is clearly the better athlete. The only thing DD has over TR at this point is work ethic, not sure how TR is in that dept.
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Old 06-01-2014, 12:06 AM   #25 (permalink)
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I'd trade DD before Ross. TR imo has a higher ceiling because he can defend and hit 3's already. And he is clearly the better athlete. The only thing DD has over TR at this point is work ethic, not sure how TR is in that dept.

Exactly, but there are a few on this board who are latching on demar for dear life. I can understand to an extent but come on.

At the back of our heads, we all know one will not be going forward as assets will be moved. No where was this seen more than the Brooklyn series and the need for a big 3
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Old 06-01-2014, 01:02 AM   #26 (permalink)
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He's top five at this position and being paid less than 10mil/per. He's going zero places until the last year of that contract.
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Old 06-01-2014, 02:43 AM   #27 (permalink)
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I'd trade DD before Ross. TR imo has a higher ceiling because he can defend and hit 3's already. And he is clearly the better athlete. The only thing DD has over TR at this point is work ethic, not sure how TR is in that dept.
I would say DD has the upper hand on toughness (mental and physical) and ability to get to the line. Ross is a better defender and 3-point shooter, but he doesn't have the "it" factor or mentality to be the guy. Not to say DD is one, but that competitive attitude rubs off on teammates.

I really think people over estimate Ross' potential. His ceiling, IMO, is that of a Tayshaun Prince.
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Old 06-01-2014, 05:18 AM   #28 (permalink)
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I love Demar, but I wouldn't be opposed to the idea of a young prospect and a top 10 pick for him. Especially if we can't retain Lowry, we'd have to go into rebuilding mode and he's the first guy I'd see being moved.
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Old 06-01-2014, 07:37 AM   #29 (permalink)
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I would say DD has the upper hand on toughness (mental and physical) and ability to get to the line. Ross is a better defender and 3-point shooter, but he doesn't have the "it" factor or mentality to be the guy. Not to say DD is one, but that competitive attitude rubs off on teammates.

I really think people over estimate Ross' potential. His ceiling, IMO, is that of a Tayshaun Prince.
I think your assessment is spot on ... Ross doesn't have the confidence nor the insane work effort to become a leader on a team ... He may reach competent starter / boarding line star status with lots of effort and maturing. He's not much younger than DD. Having said on this ... I still like the kid and he has a place on a good team.

I love the improvement DD has shown thru the years, but he doesn't have the talent to put any team on his back. His limited shooting range, handles, and defense will keep him at boarder line / star level. I love the improvement he has shown to distribute the ball and get assets ... he needs to continue that trend and not let the ball stick to his hands.
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DD and Lowry were one of the best backguard of the league this year. Now that we're trying to be relevant in the playoff, I think we should continue to build around them.

Also, with PP hopefully back, I would be curious to see what we could get in return for a package of Amir, Ross and possibly 2d rounders. Aiming for a starting SF with this kind of deal could be interesting. Then we would need to address depth on wings and at the center position through draft and free agency.

So I guess I would trade Ross before DD.
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Old 06-01-2014, 02:31 PM   #31 (permalink)
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This team should be built around Valanciunas.
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Old 06-01-2014, 02:55 PM   #32 (permalink)
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This team should be built around Valanciunas.
I don't think anybody on this team currently should be considered the center piece just yet.
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Old 06-01-2014, 04:57 PM   #33 (permalink)
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They still need to assess what is already here. It is pretty clear that the backcourt is set up pretty nicely if both pgs come back and Demar continues to improve.

Now we need to see just where Ross can go. It is possible that we see him make a big jump if he gets stronger. If we don't see any growth in him, considering that he is at an age where we might be seeing what we are going to get, then i think he becomes more of a trade piece, but i'd just as soon hope to see him stay and get a good value contract while playing a well-defined role. If he doesn't become a go-to guy at the end of games then that will point to a definite need to cover in free agency the next season, or through a smart trade.

To me, it seems that taking a cautious, steady approach that allows for continued growth, can ensure that there are no costly mistakes and steps backwards. In two or three years we might see a team that can be built around Jonas all the more easily, and the building might be virtually done already. If they still need to address anything at that point, it can be done with greater clarity as to what Valenciunas has become and what players already compliment him perfectly or not.
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