Simmons: Gasol to the Raps, Bargs to the Grizz?

Dr. J. Naismith · 12-18-2007, 01:41 PM

Pure fantasy talk right now, but Simmons does an article on Page 2 with ESPN regarding the upcoming "trade season" and players values. Some pretty funny stuff, but the most notable one is what he proposed between the Raptors and Grizz.

Git'r done BC.

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Originally Posted by Bill Simmons

A logical trade candidate considering his salary ($63.3 million over the next four years), his struggle to adjust to the Marc Iavaroni Era (ongoing) and his pedigree (only 27, he's one of the few low-post scorers who commands a double team). So, I'm about to unveil the most logical trade for him. It's so fantastic, you're going to need to walk outside and get some fresh air after you read it. That's how good it is. Ready? Here's the trade:

Gasol and Juan Carlos Navarro for Bargnani, Rasho Nesterovic's expiring deal, an unprotected 2008 No. 1 and $3 million.

The Grizzlies save a boatload of money and rebuild around kids (Bargnani, Gay, Mike Conley Jr., Mike Miller, Kyle Lowry and Darko Milicic) and cap space galore for their inevitable relocation to wherever the hell they're moving some day. And not only does Toronto jump a level in the East, it reunites Gasol and Navarro with Spanish countrymen Calderon and Jorge Garbajosa. Bryan Colangelo wanted to build the ultimate FIBA team -- well, what's better than getting the nucleus of the 2007 Spanish team that won the World Championships, even if one of them is out for the year (Garbajosa)? Tell me which team doesn't make that trade. You can't. That's why I'm the Picasso of the NBA Trade Machine.

Other notable comments:

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Originally Posted by Bill Simmons

Andrea Bargnani

Didn't you expect him to be further along this season? What happened? We're three more uninspiring months away from lowering his ceiling from "maybe the next Dirk Nowitzki" to "a fiestier and slightly more talented Memo Okur, only if Okur could make his own marinara sauce."

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Originally Posted by Bill Simmons

Jose Calderon: How do you say "fantasy stampede" in Spanish? El stampedio de fantasia? Calderon's monster stretch of starts after two separate T.J. Ford injuries recently (10 games, 107 assists and 15 turnovers until a subpar game against Boston on Sunday) makes him a summer free-agent target for anyone who wants to emulate Phoenix's run-and-gun offense. It also opens the door for a very logical question: Why the hell was Jose Calderon backing up T.J. Ford???

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**Ball Don't Lie** · 12-18-2007, 01:51 PM

Maybe if Gasol wasnt injured all the time and playing so bad. Right now I wouldnt even think of it. People need to stop letting a few games after an injury cloud their judgement on Bargs. He was playing pretty well while starting, and his ceiling is definately above Gasols.

Dr. J. Naismith · 12-18-2007, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by thriller92

Maybe if Gasol wasnt injured all the time and playing so bad. Right now I wouldnt even think of it. People need to stop letting a few games after an injury cloud their judgement on Bargs. He was playing pretty well while starting, and his ceiling is definately above Gasols.

I wish I was as optimistic as you thrills, because injury or not I still don't see Bargs fitting this team's system unless the eventual intent to to play him as a SF and not a C. Just don't see it.

MangoKidHoops · 12-18-2007, 02:17 PM

I like Bargs, but really, he needs that fire. I don't see it. I don't know if he does have it in him. You don't think having Garbajosa, Navarro and Calderon on the same team wouldn't renew Gasol? This would be a PERFECT deal. I'd do this deal. In a heartbeat.

Sick, Wicked and Nasty! · 12-18-2007, 02:45 PM

I can't honestly say I wouldn't make that deal if I'm BC. I'm not a huge Gasol fan but there's no denying he fills some needs and the combo of him and Bosh would be beastly to say the least. Navarro would cover the outside shooting we'd lose...the only thing that suffers a bit is defense but Rasho isn't going to be around forever anyways.

maltmonger · 12-18-2007, 03:19 PM

I'd have yelled a firm and resounding "No fucking way!" before the season.

Now? I still say No, but nowhere near as emphatically. I think it's too early to give up on Bargs but that deal is certainly intriguing - at least it would be without including a first round pick. Gasol isn't exactly over the hill, and likely just needs a change of scenery to rekindle the fire a bit.

Krazy Ivan · 12-18-2007, 05:23 PM

Gasol, like Bargani, would have same problem fitting this team while Bosh is in it...

None of these guys (Bosh, Bargo & Gasol) can play 3 or 5 and being that Bosh is best of them he would always start as PF...

I think Raps were hopping that Bargo could develop to be their starting Center but so far it doesn't look good... he looks lost and he is even worst then he was last year where he, at least, knew that he is Bosh backup and that he needs to score... this year he has no clue what to do and right now he commits 3 fouls and 2 turnovers while scoring zero in 10 minutes... like it or not these are pure Haffa stats...

raptor123 · 12-18-2007, 09:29 PM

I am starting to sound like a broken record when it comes to Bargs. Too much has been put on him being unable to play the low post, I say big deal. Go back to where his strength is give him the ball away from the basket, this would force his defender away from the basket, here Bargs would be able to shoot the 3 or 2, drive to the basket, he is pretty good on the dribble and most big men will have trouble guarding him.He can still post up and get the ball with his back to the basket but why all the time. Bargs is struggling because he trying to play a game the Mitch wants him to play a game that he is not ready for so I conclude go back watch tapes on watch what he was doing well, you will find that you have a hell of a player sitting on the bench.

Sick, Wicked and Nasty! · 12-19-2007, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by raptor123

I am starting to sound like a broken record when it comes to Bargs. Too much has been put on him being unable to play the low post, I say big deal. Go back to where his strength is give him the ball away from the basket, this would force his defender away from the basket, here Bargs would be able to shoot the 3 or 2, drive to the basket, he is pretty good on the dribble and most big men will have trouble guarding him.He can still post up and get the ball with his back to the basket but why all the time. Bargs is struggling because he trying to play a game the Mitch wants him to play a game that he is not ready for so I conclude go back watch tapes on watch what he was doing well, you will find that you have a hell of a player sitting on the bench.

Stop putting all this on Sam... the architect Bryan Colangelo all the way down to Sam and his staff want AB to play the 5 spot. I dont' like it either..or at least in the traditional sense..i like how he played last year... but let's be fair to Sam...it's not just him out there forcing AB to learn something new and uncomfortable.

Dr. J. Naismith · 12-19-2007, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Sick, Wicked and Nasty!

Stop putting all this on Sam....

Yup, blaming Sam for our problems became old 2 years ago. I'll admit his substitions, rotations, assignments, etc. are questionable at times, but players are just as accountable for their actions as much as Sam is. I'm glad Sam is showing Bargs some tough love because at this point he has to earn his minutes and not just assume he's going to get star treatment because he was a first overall selection.

IggyPosterizes · 12-20-2007, 04:18 AM

How about putting Bosh at center? I think he can do it.

BballWatcher · 12-20-2007, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by IggyPosterizes

How about putting Bosh at center? I think he can do it.

I was thinking that yesterday when LaMarcus was kicking our butts, him at PF or C and Bosh at the other big position... Sigh.

Krazy Ivan · 12-20-2007, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by BballWatcher

I was thinking that yesterday when LaMarcus was kicking our butts, him at PF or C and Bosh at the other big position... Sigh.

Don't forget that while BC used his 1st overall pick for Bargnani that same draft year Portland, with lower pick, got creative obtained second pick and turned them into Aldridge and Roy... imagine those two guys instead of Bargnani and where would Raps be?

MangoKidHoops · 12-20-2007, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Krazy Ivan

Don't forget that while BC used his 1st overall pick for Bargnani that same draft year Portland, with lower pick, got creative obtained second pick and turned them into Aldridge and Roy... imagine those two guys instead of Bargnani and where would Raps be?

It's different though. The dumbass Celtics basically GAVE Roy to the Blazers for Sebastian Telfair..

Krazy Ivan · 12-20-2007, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by LyRrAd_Nation

It's different though. The dumbass Celtics basically GAVE Roy to the Blazers for Sebastian Telfair..

That's what I mean when I say creative... BC needed to find dumb GM who was willing to part with his pick for our scrubs...

**Benzo** · 12-20-2007, 01:21 PM

Bargs will be better than Roy and Lamarcus when we are all said and done so don't get your panties in a bunch.

Krazy Ivan · 12-20-2007, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Benzo

Bargs will be better than Roy and Lamarcus when we are all said and done so don't get your panties in a bunch.

The key phase here is 'will be'... right now he is not and if he gets injured or regresses big time or if Raps lose patience with him and trade him who cares?

Although I like little Gino Guido... our team would be better this instant if BC decided to go for either Roy, Aldridge or both...

And BTW... my panties are in a bunch... but that's because of my fat ass...

Dr. J. Naismith · 12-20-2007, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Benzo

Bargs will be better than Roy and Lamarcus when we are all said and done so don't get your panties in a bunch.

Hey dude, we're all wrong from time to time. Example, me and what I said about LaDoofus for the last couple years. (U of T and Portlantd) Right now Aldridge is getting the last laugh because I'm still eating crow.

I think you'll be doing the same for Bargnani.

Krazy Ivan · 12-20-2007, 08:06 PM

My issue with Bargnani is not that he is missing his shots we all know he can score and hit long range shots... no issue there but look at the Roy... this guy is not just a good shooter he is awesome in every way and even if his game stops improving and he stays at this level he'll be good, really good for any team he plays... Aldridge showed that he can improve... since last year he added bulk & some post moves... he improved his defense and is more confident in his offense... what did Bargo do? Nothing... nada... not a thing... worst thing is his game regressed, his shooting is way off, I mean dude is 7' tall and his rebounding is at the same level as TJ's... also he hardly ever blocks any shots, he is completely lost on defense and he has no post moves... and please, don't even get me going on his turnovers and constant traveling... :mad:

I mean, this kid has talent no question there but many guys came in pro sports looking like another Jordan, Ali or Pele but now are nowhere to be seen... right now when I look at Bargo all I see is another Darko...

Is he on drugs, is he injured, tired or just bored with the game... I for one have no clue...

but BC gambled Raps future on him and he better make him snap out of his funk...

12-18-2007, 05:23 PM	#7 (permalink)
Krazy Ivan is pounding the rock! Byte Mii, I have Wii Fit! Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,967 Representing:	Gasol, like Bargani, would have same problem fitting this team while Bosh is in it... None of these guys (Bosh, Bargo & Gasol) can play 3 or 5 and being that Bosh is best of them he would always start as PF... I think Raps were hopping that Bargo could develop to be their starting Center but so far it doesn't look good... he looks lost and he is even worst then he was last year where he, at least, knew that he is Bosh backup and that he needs to score... this year he has no clue what to do and right now he commits 3 fouls and 2 turnovers while scoring zero in 10 minutes... like it or not these are pure Haffa stats... Last edited by Krazy Ivan; 12-18-2007 at 05:25 PM.

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Ball Don't Lie is praying Drummond doesnt haunt us forever. Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 8,852 Representing:	Maybe if Gasol wasnt injured all the time and playing so bad. Right now I wouldnt even think of it. People need to stop letting a few games after an injury cloud their judgement on Bargs. He was playing pretty well while starting, and his ceiling is definately above Gasols.

12-18-2007, 02:17 PM	#4 (permalink)
MangoKidHoops is saying too many dudes are Tyson Chandler, trying to lead their teams and went nowhere Scarborough, We Go Hard.. Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 6,916 Representing:	I like Bargs, but really, he needs that fire. I don't see it. I don't know if he does have it in him. You don't think having Garbajosa, Navarro and Calderon on the same team wouldn't renew Gasol? This would be a PERFECT deal. I'd do this deal. In a heartbeat.

12-18-2007, 02:45 PM	#5 (permalink)
Sick, Wicked and Nasty! is adoring his baby girl. Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Canada eh? Posts: 3,288 Representing:	I can't honestly say I wouldn't make that deal if I'm BC. I'm not a huge Gasol fan but there's no denying he fills some needs and the combo of him and Bosh would be beastly to say the least. Navarro would cover the outside shooting we'd lose...the only thing that suffers a bit is defense but Rasho isn't going to be around forever anyways.

12-18-2007, 03:19 PM	#6 (permalink)
maltmonger is a Die Hard die hard. pro beer Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Bizzaro world. Posts: 337 Representing:	I'd have yelled a firm and resounding "No fucking way!" before the season. Now? I still say No, but nowhere near as emphatically. I think it's too early to give up on Bargs but that deal is certainly intriguing - at least it would be without including a first round pick. Gasol isn't exactly over the hill, and likely just needs a change of scenery to rekindle the fire a bit.

12-18-2007, 09:29 PM	#8 (permalink)
raptor123 is a Piston Fan ! Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 2,258 Representing:	I am starting to sound like a broken record when it comes to Bargs. Too much has been put on him being unable to play the low post, I say big deal. Go back to where his strength is give him the ball away from the basket, this would force his defender away from the basket, here Bargs would be able to shoot the 3 or 2, drive to the basket, he is pretty good on the dribble and most big men will have trouble guarding him.He can still post up and get the ball with his back to the basket but why all the time. Bargs is struggling because he trying to play a game the Mitch wants him to play a game that he is not ready for so I conclude go back watch tapes on watch what he was doing well, you will find that you have a hell of a player sitting on the bench.

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IggyPosterizes is pounding the rock! Barney's revenge 08-09 Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: North Hollywood Posts: 365 Representing:	How about putting Bosh at center? I think he can do it.

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Benzo is hibernating Retired Administrator Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 7,275 Representing:	Bargs will be better than Roy and Lamarcus when we are all said and done so don't get your panties in a bunch.

12-20-2007, 08:06 PM	#19 (permalink)
Krazy Ivan is pounding the rock! Byte Mii, I have Wii Fit! Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,967 Representing:	My issue with Bargnani is not that he is missing his shots we all know he can score and hit long range shots... no issue there but look at the Roy... this guy is not just a good shooter he is awesome in every way and even if his game stops improving and he stays at this level he'll be good, really good for any team he plays... Aldridge showed that he can improve... since last year he added bulk & some post moves... he improved his defense and is more confident in his offense... what did Bargo do? Nothing... nada... not a thing... worst thing is his game regressed, his shooting is way off, I mean dude is 7' tall and his rebounding is at the same level as TJ's... also he hardly ever blocks any shots, he is completely lost on defense and he has no post moves... and please, don't even get me going on his turnovers and constant traveling... :mad: I mean, this kid has talent no question there but many guys came in pro sports looking like another Jordan, Ali or Pele but now are nowhere to be seen... right now when I look at Bargo all I see is another Darko... Is he on drugs, is he injured, tired or just bored with the game... I for one have no clue... but BC gambled Raps future on him and he better make him snap out of his funk...