Simmons: Colangelo in Desparation Mode?
Old 07-28-2009, 03:00 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Bill Simmons from ESPN poked a little fun at BC saying that Bryan is in desperation mode right now in trying to retain Bosh by opening to vault to attract players such as Hedo and Jack.

Would you agree with Bill?

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38. You wanna buy a gate?!?!? (Crash.) You just bought a gate!!!

To Toronto's Bryan Colangelo, who spent money more recklessly than Michael Bay. A $53 million extension for Andrea Bargnani? Sure! Another $53 million for Hedo Turkoglu? Why not? How 'bout $20 million for a third guard (Jarrett Jack) just because he's college buddies with Chris Bosh and might sway Bosh to stick around next summer? Absolutely! As always, there's nothing more dangerous than an NBA GM in desperation mode. Smart moves for 2010 -- dumb moves for 2012, 2013 and 2014 ... and, of course, he'll be gone by then. Sorry, Raptor Truthers. You deserve better.
Source - Bill Simmons recaps the NBA offseason so far, using quotes from his favorite movie of the decade, "Almost Famous." - ESPN
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Old 07-28-2009, 03:03 PM   #2 (permalink)
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He'll be gone by then??

Bosh or BC?


This guy's a dick! BTW, 3rd PG? He's a combo guard that'll get 25MPG.

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To Turkoglu, who's going to feel this way every time he thinks about the good people of Portland. Look at the bright side, Blazers fans -- you dodged a bullet. He peaked statistically two years ago. He's allegedly 30 but could be closer to 32 or 33 for all we know. (Do you trust Turkish birth certificates?


Americans are such assholes! If he went to Portland would this schmuck say this, no. He'd be saying they're on their way to the Conference finals.

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Old 07-28-2009, 03:05 PM   #3 (permalink)
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He's wrong about Jack for one. Jack is the combo guard they've been missing. He will fill the role TJ and Jose filled at times when the Raptors were successful.

Bargnani looks like a risk to those who didn't watch him play last season.

Hedo's contract isn't pretty, I agree there.

Colangelo is not in desperation mode but he is trying to keep his star player. Why isn't Simmons saying Danny Ferry is in desperation mode? That guy has made a shit load of stupid moves trying to keep LeBron happy.
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He's wrong about Jack for one. Jack is the combo guard they've been missing. He will fill the role TJ and Jose filled at times when the Raptors were successful.

Bargnani looks like a risk to those who didn't watch him play last season.

Hedo's contract isn't pretty, I agree there.

Colangelo is not in desperation mode but he is trying to keep his star player. Why isn't Simmons saying Danny Ferry is in desperation mode? That guy has made a shit load of stupid moves trying to keep LeBron happy.

Not only that, last summers move to bring in JO for 4 players seemed more desperate and risky then this. And ESPN surprise surprise.....loved that move.
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Old 07-28-2009, 03:12 PM   #5 (permalink)
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I never understand why Americans always name the whole sum of the contract.
Seems like a lot then, while the $/y is about average for a starter in the NBA imo.

Lol @ birth certificate quote.
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Old 07-28-2009, 03:13 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Since when is Jack a combo guard? Honestly, guys, what makes you so sure he can even play the two in the NBA when he is not a good outside shooter and has played PG all his life, in high school, in college and in the league?!
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Since when is Jack a combo guard? Honestly, guys, what makes you so sure he can even play the two in the NBA when he is not a good outside shooter and has played PG all his life, in high school, in college and in the league?!
He's a combo guard and played the SG position in Indiana. And his outside shot is much improved. Alot better then the dumbass suggestions in here that the Raptors should groom Ukic for the 2 spot.
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Since when is Jack a combo guard? Honestly, guys, what makes you so sure he can even play the two in the NBA when he is not a good outside shooter and has played PG all his life, in high school, in college and in the league?!
He shot 45% from the field. They don't need him to be an outside shooter, they need him to be aggressive and attack the hole. They need him to be tough and play strong defense. All the items Colangelo had on his list, besides rebounding, he hits. Oh, and in terms of rebounding he doesn't a damn good job considering he is always on the perimeter. The divison title 47 win season came from having TWO starting level PGs. They tried playing them together a times and the offense was sick but their defense lacked. It lacked because Jose is a weak defender. That's not an issue when Jack is out there with him because Jack can guard most 2's. Playing them together is going to produce many exciting plays. They'll have THREE ball handlers, who are highly efficient, on the court at the same time for half the game.

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i love bill simmons. 90% of what he writes is to get a rise out of people, and he's done exactly that. as with all sports writers, it's up to the team to prove them right or wrong, and bill will have a field day with the thousands of emails he'll get either way.
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yep.

that Simmons offering is a classic Fishing Lure.
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Old 07-28-2009, 03:29 PM   #11 (permalink)
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He shot 45% from the field. They don't need him to be an outside shooter, they need him to be aggressive and attack the hole. They need him to be tough and play strong defense. All the items Colangelo had on his list, besides rebounding, he hits. Oh, and in terms of rebounding he doesn't a damn good job considering he is always on the perimeter. The divison title 47 win season came from having TWO starting level PGs. They tried playing them together a times and the offense was sick but their defense lacked. It lacked because Jose is a weak defender. That's not an issue when Jack is out there with him because Jack can guard most 2's. Playing them together is going to produce many exciting plays. They'll have THREE ball handlers, who are highly efficient, on the court at the same time for half the game.
You used more words, so I'll reply to your post...

He could play the position, but it doesn't mean that he should. Sure, against certain teams with relatively small guards (Detroit comes to mind and Chicago sometimes), playing Jack and Jose at the same time might make sense, but as a rule, NBA starting SGs are 6'6"-6'7" and the most athletic players on the floor. There is no chance in hell that our team can be successful with JJ as our starting SG, don't kid yourselves. That's why BC drafted DeRozan, to groom him to be a started there. Considering that Wright is promising to be at the very least adequate there this season, those two will take the majority of the minutes at the two, leaving Jack with occasional spot duties there against specific match-ups.
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Old 07-28-2009, 03:39 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Kirk Hinrich defended Paul Pierce pretty well in the po's, better than Salmons anyway. Gives up 4 inches and he isn't very athletic. Size helps, but some players can trump it.
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Old 07-28-2009, 03:46 PM   #13 (permalink)
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i'm not in love with the idea of playing jack at the 2 spot, but if he can't be long and lanky, atleast he's compact and strong that can get in the face of the offensive player and push them off the block.

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I think he took realistic concerns and magnified them for the sake of writing an article. Bill Simmons is a great sports writer, in my opinion.
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bill simmons is worse than steve simmons of the toronto sun
wow. do you really mean that? i think he's by far and away the most entertaining sports columnist out there. smart, funny, deep knowledge of the game and an uncanny ability to connect with his readers. he's not there to bring news, he's there to entertain, and he does it better than anyone else.
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wow. do you really mean that? i think he's by far and away the most entertaining sports columnist out there. smart, funny, deep knowledge of the game and an uncanny ability to connect with his readers. he's not there to bring news, he's there to entertain, and he does it better than anyone else.
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You used more words, so I'll reply to your post...

He could play the position, but it doesn't mean that he should. Sure, against certain teams with relatively small guards (Detroit comes to mind and Chicago sometimes), playing Jack and Jose at the same time might make sense, but as a rule, NBA starting SGs are 6'6"-6'7" and the most athletic players on the floor. There is no chance in hell that our team can be successful with JJ as our starting SG, don't kid yourselves. That's why BC drafted DeRozan, to groom him to be a started there. Considering that Wright is promising to be at the very least adequate there this season, those two will take the majority of the minutes at the two, leaving Jack with occasional spot duties there against specific match-ups.
...I'm not sure where I ever mentioned that Jack would be starting but I did mention that Jose and Jarret would be far more successful playing together than Jose and TJ were. I've already listed my reasons to that. You're underrating what Jack has to offer. I see Jack being used in a role on offense not too different than Barbosa in Phoenix. Both Barbosa and Monta Ellis have been succesful as combo guards, playing heavy minutes at the 2 at times. Both those guys aren't a strong, tough or defensively inclined as Jack. All three are the same height.

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Meh. Most writers make some wacky predictions and usually don't acknowledge them when they're proven wrong. The only thing about Simmons i can't stand is his occasional flip flopping (i.e calling ray allen washed up and then practically fellating him for the next 2 seasons/ calling Steve nash a product of SSOL and then listing as him as one of the top 40 players ever.

But i'd be lying if i said i didn't enjoy his writing. I've already pre-ordered his book
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Re: Jack. I feel like his defense has been a little overrated on here- he's tough and definitely willing but from what i saw, he has limitations and tends to struggle against smaller, quicker guards and bigger two's who can just shoot right over him. His value lies in his aggresiveness going to the basket, durability, consistency and his shooting is better than it's sometimes advertised. He's definitely a third guard in my eyes, but he also should be worth the 20 million dollars he got if he replicates last season's post January play.

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