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Only five insiders believe Bosh will re-sign with Toronto. Yet, I view this as a positive sign for Raptors, because those five votes offset widespread speculation that Bosh is certain to leave this summer.
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"Here's the thing people don't know about him," an Eastern team president said of Bosh. "He wants to be a star. He wants to be the No. 1 guy."

If true, then that's another reason for him to remain with Toronto, as opposed to becoming the No. 2 option to Wade in Miami (or to Dirk Nowitzki in Dallas via a sign-and-trade).
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Regardless of how Bosh may view himself, the prevailing opinion around the league is that he cannot be the top player of a championship team.

"I don't think Chris Bosh is a No. 1 guy," a Western personnel executive said. "For him to be really successful -- and he may not be willing to admit this -- he needs to be with another guy. If he goes to Miami, I think that fits his personality because Wade provides the best match [as a perimeter teammate] for him, but again, a lot of guys can't admit to things like that.

"Almost everybody at the top of this free-agent class is a wing player, but Bosh is the one big man that's coveted and could fit in with a lot of different teams," this Western exec added. "What I've heard through the grapevine is that the only cold-weather city he's going to consider playing in is Toronto."
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"He could stay because they can pay him more than anyone," an Eastern team executive said of Bosh. "I always say it takes more for a guy to leave than to stay. With Bosh, you've got to give the guy the max or he's walking, but he's not a max player, I don't think. On the other hand, I really don't think he wants to carry a team. He says otherwise, and it sounds like he loves being the [No. 1] guy in Toronto, but I'm not buying that. I personally think he doesn't want to carry a contending team day after day, that he doesn't want that pressure. So looking at it that way, I could see him playing with Wade or Derrick Rose


"I think he gets lured down to South Beach," said an agent, who obviously doesn't represent Bosh. "I think his emotions are up and down, that he likes it up there. But I really don't think Toronto is going to max him out.
^^^ Doesn't think Toronto is gonna max him out?? Why hold onto him then? Moron!




LeBron James, Dwyane Wade among five surprising free agents - Ian Thomsen - SI.com
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Old 02-12-2010, 07:51 PM   #2 (permalink)
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more people talking out of their asses

looking at the situation in November, this shit maybe makes some sense

but not even then - he looks completely ready to carry a team

the pigeon-holing of Bosh, and his situation here, is just ridiculous

i would say that in a lesser role he is worth much less to the point where a few other guys can take his place

he is a young and still improving player that is just starting to fully understand all that he can be and what it is going to take to get there. if he allows himself to be held back then it will be a damn shame. he has every chance to bring other players up to another level instead of deferring to someone else to do that instead. i think he would rather count on his own abilities.
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The only argument for Bosh not being a max player is the upcoming CBA battle that could lead to a hard cap. A max deal could really handicap the Raps if that happened.

Who is a max player? Kobe, LeBron, Howard? I wouldn't put Wade, other than one run with Shaq the Heat haven't done much with him there.

The other issue is that it is not a matter of this guy is a max player and this guy isn't. What is the criteria? It is market value. If anyone is willing to pay him the max then he is a max player, and if the Raptors want to keep him, they'll have to pay up.
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The only argument for Bosh not being a max player is the upcoming CBA battle that could lead to a hard cap. A max deal could really handicap the Raps if that happened.

Who is a max player? Kobe, LeBron, Howard? I wouldn't put Wade, other than one run with Shaq the Heat haven't done much with him there.

The other issue is that it is not a matter of this guy is a max player and this guy isn't. What is the criteria? It is market value. If anyone is willing to pay him the max then he is a max player, and if the Raptors want to keep him, they'll have to pay up.
Really? Wade not a max player and Howard is? What has Howard done?
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Who is a max player? Kobe, LeBron, Howard? I wouldn't put Wade, other than one run with Shaq the Heat haven't done much with him there.
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The only argument for Bosh not being a max player is the upcoming CBA battle that could lead to a hard cap. A max deal could really handicap the Raps if that happened.

Who is a max player? Kobe, LeBron, Howard? I wouldn't put Wade, other than one run with Shaq the Heat haven't done much with him there.

The other issue is that it is not a matter of this guy is a max player and this guy isn't. What is the criteria? It is market value. If anyone is willing to pay him the max then he is a max player, and if the Raptors want to keep him, they'll have to pay up.

So...What did LBJ for to be ''King'' or what did Howard?Absolute rubbish..
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LeBron single-handedly took the Cavs through the Eastern Conference. His 2nd option was Daniel Gibson. Howard did the same with the Magic. Wade has put up big numbers, been injured and Miami has fallen onto the playoff bubble in the Eastern Conference with him as "the man." Who's to say that Miami couldn't get a guy like McGrady to come in and score 30 points a game, finish 8th and lose in the first round of the playoffs too?

Wade is a great player, but he is looking like the Dominque Wilkins of his generation, albeit with a championship early on in his career. Not sure if I'd risk a max deal on his durability or productivity in a team setting, if the goal is winning championships. If you want to sell merchandise he's a good guy to have, Miami won't sell tickets no matter who is on the roster.
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Chris is starting to pass the ball alot more recently and he's racking up the assists in the process. He's starting to make his team better as a result. If he continues to evolve in that aspect of the game i think he will definitely be worth the max. Perhaps watching Turk and how he helps make everyone else better, is rubbing off on Chris's game. If he gets the max, he's not gonna go anywhere.
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Who is a max player? Kobe, LeBron, Howard? I wouldn't put Wade, other than one run with Shaq the Heat haven't done much with him there.
Its ok guys, hes from Winnipeg, cant blame the guy if he doesn't know who this "wade" character is
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"I think his emotions are up and down, that he likes it up there. But I really don't think Toronto is going to max him out. The owners are going to have a new definition of who a max guy is, and there are only eight or nine players who are at that [level]. Pau Gasol is not max, Antawn Jamison got the max when he was at Golden State, [Andrei] Kirilenko got it [from Utah]. And those deals bit those teams in the [butt] because those guys are not major stars. The max is for Tim Duncan, LeBron, D-Wade, Kobe Bryant -- that echelon. As an agent, I want as much money as I can get, but I'm telling you how the owners are looking at it."
Tim Duncan? Really

Bosh is leading the NBA in double double's wtf is this guy talking about...

Does he even fucking know who owns the Raptors ... MLSE... they dont know jack shit about Basketball, they leave that up to Colangelo and if BC wants to max him out he's definitley going to.

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Bosh has said over and over he WON'T play in texas!!

he is not leaving! he will get more here than anywhere else, and he loves toronto...

nash sure looked good last night carrying that flame!!! woohooo
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more people talking out of their asses

looking at the situation in November, this shit maybe makes some sense

but not even then - he looks completely ready to carry a team

the pigeon-holing of Bosh, and his situation here, is just ridiculous

i would say that in a lesser role he is worth much less to the point where a few other guys can take his place

he is a young and still improving player that is just starting to fully understand all that he can be and what it is going to take to get there. if he allows himself to be held back then it will be a damn shame. he has every chance to bring other players up to another level instead of deferring to someone else to do that instead. i think he would rather count on his own abilities.
he sure seems like a stud to me!
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These insiders are looking like idiots.

The Bosh thing has been done to death so I won't even bother commenting on it.

Calling Wade anything but a max player is idiotic. The only concern with D Wade is health, and it's an unfortunate gamble with him. Saying he's achieved nothing except a title one year is laughable - he took a young team with Odom and Butler to the playoffs, and has carried an awful, flawed Heat franchise to around the 8th seed repeatedly. He has nothing but flawed players around him (including Beasley) and yet their team isn't in the gutter.
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Also comparing Bosh to Kirilenko is pretty dumb. When Kirilenko got his max deal, he was getting 15/8 and 3 blocks and had no position (he is an undersized PF who is forced to play SF on most lineups). Bosh is getting 24/12 and is a stud PF. Apples to oranges.
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Chris is starting to pass the ball alot more recently and he's racking up the assists in the process. He's starting to make his team better as a result. If he continues to evolve in that aspect of the game i think he will definitely be worth the max. Perhaps watching Turk and how he helps make everyone else better, is rubbing off on Chris's game. If he gets the max, he's not gonna go anywhere.
Him and Bargnani are really starting to gel together as a duo. It would be interesting to see how Raps match-up statistically to other teams C-PF combo.
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Chris is starting to pass the ball alot more recently and he's racking up the assists in the process. He's starting to make his team better as a result. If he continues to evolve in that aspect of the game i think he will definitely be worth the max. Perhaps watching Turk and how he helps make everyone else better, is rubbing off on Chris's game. If he gets the max, he's not gonna go anywhere.
Definitely agreed on Bosh's passing. While his assist totals are slightly down from last season, so are his minutes, and he's getting more assists while not dominating the ball nearly as much.

Bosh is averaging over 3 assists for January/Feb, including a career high 7 dimes on January 31st.

Bosh has improved tremendously on his 3 glaring weaknesses this season:

-passing out of double teams (much improved - to the point where he's actually creating opportunities for teammates, rather than just desparately chucking the ball out to someone)
-not being such a pansy on D (a work in progress, but still improved from the past, as evident from some of his hilight-worthy blocks recently)
-finishing in traffic through contact. On equal # of shot attempts (16.5 per game), he's getting almost 2 more points per game compared to last season on fewer shots. This shows in his field goal % (career high 52.5%) and free throw attempts (career high 8.8 attempts per game).

You can't really call him anything but a max player right now, and the people who rate Duncan above him are basing that on past achievements, not where the players are right now in their careers. Duncan is a hall-of-fame talent (arguably the best PF ever) who is soon to be 34 years old with 35,000 regular season minutes logged on his knees and ankles.

Bosh is soon to be 26 years old with half the minutes played (18,000) . Duncan is still a very effective player, but if you're picking a player for the next 5 years, or even arguably the next 2-3, you'd be a fool to go with Duncan over Bosh. When 7 footers turn 35, bad things happen as long as their name isn't Kareem, who was very skinny and was able to save his legs into his 40's.

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If you want a preview of where Duncan will be in a couple of years, take a look at KG (over 40,000 regular season minutes played). KG is nowhere near the player he was - his lateral quicks are gone and his leaping ability is reduced. KG's only 33, but he's logged an unprecedented amount of minutes for a 33 year old.

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The only argument for Bosh not being a max player is the upcoming CBA battle that could lead to a hard cap. A max deal could really handicap the Raps if that happened.

Who is a max player? Kobe, LeBron, Howard? I wouldn't put Wade, other than one run with Shaq the Heat haven't done much with him there.

The other issue is that it is not a matter of this guy is a max player and this guy isn't. What is the criteria? It is market value. If anyone is willing to pay him the max then he is a max player, and if the Raptors want to keep him, they'll have to pay up.
All due respect, Wade is quite a player.
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I think the comparison was between Bosh at 26 and duncan and garnett at 26 when they got their full length max contracts. Duncan and KG were much better players at 26 than Bosh is now.

That being said, I don't get the logic - if he's not a max guy for Toronto, is he a max guy for some other team???


And all the talk about the "widespread speculation" that he is not a max guy, will only increase the chances that he will stay here to prove it. I have a very strong feeling right now that the whole issue will eventually boil down to this choice Bosh will have in the summer: "leading a team" vs "being a 2nd guy". He will be much more likely to win a title with the second approach, but he will get a lot more glory and recognition with the 1st.

Of course, eventually, if this team finishes stumbling, he's very likely to go, so the next 2 months are going to be critical and probably will decide the matter for him.
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and looking on espn today, this the news in the rumours section:

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A player agent thinks Chris Bosh will leave Toronto for Miami in the summer.

"I think he gets lured down to South Beach," the agent told SI.com. "I think his emotions are up and down, that he likes it up there. But I really don't think Toronto is going to max him out. The owners are going to have a new definition of who a max guy is, and there are only eight or nine players who are at that [level]. Pau Gasol is not max, Antawn Jamison got the max when he was at Golden State, Andrei Kirilenko got it [from Utah]. And those deals bit those teams in the [butt] because those guys are not major stars. The max is for Tim Duncan, LeBron James, Dwyane Wade, Kobe Bryant -- that echelon. As an agent, I want as much money as I can get, but I'm telling you how the owners are looking at it."

Some front office executives think Miami is perfect for the Raptors forward, however Bosh was emphatic when talking with ESPN.com's Marc Stein and ESPN The Magazine's Ric Bucher earlier this week that he wants to be "built around" and that means he's staying in Toronto.
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that's ALL there is, no mention about the others in that article who said he will stay here - not even a hint.
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