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Old 09-20-2013, 09:34 PM   #1 (permalink)
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84. Amir Johnson, Toronto Raptors (F/C, 26)2012-13 stats: 28.7 MPG, 10.0 PPG, 7.5 RPG, 1.0 SPG, 1.4 BPG, 55.4 FG%2012-13 advanced stats: 17.3 PER, 7.3 Win Shares, +4.7 RAPMJohnson often goes overlooked because of the role he plays and the team that employs him, but he deserves credit for making the Raptors decisively better whenever he was on the floor last season. Thatís no fluke; Johnsonís ability to defend both power forwards and centers at a well-above-average level gives him game-changing potential, particularly in conjunction with solid rebounding and finishing ability. Johnson still isnít the smoothest pick-and-roll player, but heís grown more comfortable with adjusting after the catch ó an important development that makes him that much more potent on the move. Heís noticeably quicker than most big men his size and leverages that speed with frequent movement and consistent effort. That partially explains why Johnson does so well in claiming out-of-position rebounds. By being the first to the ball on such a frequent basis, Johnson rated as an elite offensive rebounder and one of the best at converting those offensive boards into points, according to Synergy. Those contributions might seem marginal on first glance, but Johnsonís dirty-work efforts pay off big for Toronto.
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81. Kyle Lowry, Toronto Raptors (G, 27)2012-13 stats: 29.7 MPG, 11.6 PPG, 6.4 APG, 4.7 RPG, 1.4 SPG, 40.1 FG%, 36.2 3FG%2012-13 advanced stats: 17.5 PER, 5.6 Win Shares, +3.7 RAPMLowry can be a bit frustrating in that heís a first-rate defender who doesnít always commit, but he creates enough offensively to make up for some of his wilder streaks. He is a lot to handle when in control of an offense. Lowry is physical enough to overwhelm many point guards and quick enough to dart past bigger opponents, a combination that makes him a solid dribble-drive initiator. His passing in those situations, though, is merely functional. He misses open teammates and botches certain reads, if only because Lowry can lose track of his options when in motion. Still, he does a generally fine job of both scoring in the lane and setting up quality shots, albeit not at a high enough level to push him further up these rankings.
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64. Rudy Gay, Toronto Raptors (F, 27)2012-13 stats: 35.8 MPG, 18.2 PPG, 6.1 RPG, 2.7 APG, 1.5 SPG, 41.6 FG%, 32.3 3FG%2012-13 advanced stats: 15.6 PER, 4.0 Win Shares, +0.4 RAPMThe Rudy Gay Experience was an all-around bummer in 2012-13: He put up his worst scoring and shooting numbers since his rookie year of 2006-07, a particularly rough turn of events for a high-volume shooter. It wasnít just that. In January, Gay was traded from a Memphis team that went on to make the conference finals to a Toronto team that was desperately chasing a playoff spot it couldnít possibly reach. Many observers panned the Raptorsí move and the executive who acquired him, Bryan Colangelo, was replaced this summer. Even if his shooting numbers recover to some degree, itís hard to envision Gayís succeeding in carrying this team to the playoffs, even in a down year for the bottom of the East. Then what?
10. Carmelo Anthony F, New York Knicks
9. Kobe Bryant G, Los Angeles Lakers
8. Dwyane Wade G, Miami Heat
7. Dwight Howard C, Houston Rockets
6. Tim Duncan F/C, San Antonio Spurs
5. Russell Westbrook G, Oklahoma City Thunder
4. Tony Parker G, San Antonio Spurs
3. Chris Paul G, Los Angeles Clippers
2. Kevin Durant F, Oklahoma City Thunder
1. LeBron James F, Miami Heat

Top 100 players of 2014: Nos.10-1 | The Point Forward - SI.com
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Old 09-20-2013, 10:20 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Andrea listed as a notable omission. Really? The authors rely too heavily on per and win shares along with a ny bias.

Valančiūnas got a notable omission as well.
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Jonas Valanciunas, Toronto Raptors (C, 21)
2012-13 stats: 23.9 MPG, 8.9 PPG, 6.0 RPG, 1.3 BPG, 55.7 FG%
2012-13 advanced stats: 15.6 PER, 3.9 Win Shares, -1.3 RAPM

Valanciunas would be locked into a top-100 spot if our list considered future seasons, but in his current form he barely missed the cut. All the same, there’s much to like in his growing game, and it’s possible that the second-year center (and reigning Summer League MVP) could improve quickly enough to make this omission glaring in retrospect. — RM
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Old 09-21-2013, 05:07 AM   #3 (permalink)
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64 R.Gay as i said, every one understand he is overrated and overpaid(except raps fans)
81 K.LOwry- perfect place for him. A bit too good, but ok.
"His passing in those situations, though, is merely functional. He misses open teammates and botches certain reads, if only because Lowry can lose track of his options when in motion."

that is to say:

POOR PASSING SKILLS

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Old 09-21-2013, 09:37 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Westbrook 5 and anthony 10. Back to that age-old argument about talent and contributing to winning basketball. There is a cricket term "flat track bully." which means a batter who is awesome when the conditions suit. The ball isn't moving, the bowler is tired.

That fits westbrook and anthony perfectly. Beat up poor opposition, pad the stats, flummoxed by good oposition.

To be fair, this article is about best nba players, so that probably does mean talent. But I wouldn't have them in my team.
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Old 09-21-2013, 11:11 AM   #5 (permalink)
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No DeMar? and Jose is better than Lowry?


Kyle Korver even made the list.
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We saw two very different Klo's last season. There was the guy that was the best player and he tried to do too much as such, which was particularly ugly when he was fighting injuries; and there was the guy that played within a team concept. The second guy did a fine job of passing, in motion or not. And that guy was aided by the addition of Gay, the development of JV, and the overall improved chemistry at the end of last season.

What is going to be essential for this team, is changing up the tendency to be a first rate defender that doesn't always commit. If he commits fully then a lot will fall into place for this team.
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We saw two very different Klo's last season. There was the guy that was the best player and he tried to do too much as such, which was particularly ugly when he was fighting injuries; and there was the guy that played within a team concept. The second guy did a fine job of passing, in motion or not. And that guy was aided by the addition of Gay, the development of JV, and the overall improved chemistry at the end of last season.

What is going to be essential for this team, is changing up the tendency to be a first rate defender that doesn't always commit. If he commits fully then a lot will fall into place for this team.
The Klow we saw in the first 3 games was a beast, but I know it was only for 3 games. Lowry has good skills but being an efficient facilitator isn't really one of them. The article is pretty much how I see it. He can score and defend but I don't really see how he makes the people around him better.
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The Klow we saw in the first 3 games was a beast, but I know it was only for 3 games. Lowry has good skills but being an efficient facilitator isn't really one of them. The article is pretty much how I see it. He can score and defend but I don't really see how he makes the people around him better.
I found that in the second half He was far better and our record reflected that.
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He piled up a ton of assists and got easy shots for people at the end of the season. I'm not really interested in the 3 game beast. It's too easy for teams to frustrate one guy trying to do too much. I'm interested in the guy that could integrate his play with that of the team, and commit fully to defense. I've seen that guy elsewhere, and a little bit here. If it' snot the guy we see right off this season, then there will be decisions to be made in a hurry. If Masai bought into the early impressions here as being what Kyle is defined by for eternity, then those decisions would have already been made.
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Their ranking is inherently flawed. They should include winshares/48 minutes, NOT WIN SHARES. It's like what if instead of looking at PPG everybody just looked at points totals.
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Their ranking is inherently flawed. They should include winshares/48 minutes, NOT WIN SHARES. It's like what if instead of looking at PPG everybody just looked at points totals.
I agree, but wouldn't a better comparison be looking at ppg instead of per36?

(not too great with advanced stats, honest question)
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I agree, but wouldn't a better comparison be looking at ppg instead of per36?

(not too great with advanced stats, honest question)
The thing is, if that happens then all the stats included have to be /36mins.
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The thing is, if that happens then all the stats included have to be /36mins.
You misunderstood me. You said looking at only winshares is like looking at total points and instead should be looking at winshares/48 which is more like ppg. But I asked if it's better to look at winshares/48 as ppg/36 because then it's not skewed based on how much the player plays.

Or at least something of that ilk
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All rankings are inherently flawed and meaningless as anything more than a glimpse of the subjectivity of the rankers. Even if there was a perfectly objective means of ranking individuals in a complex team game, who cares? What's to be taken from that?
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for myself, these rankings are basically an indication of how the outside (and presumably a little more objective) world sees our players. To some extent, the public opinion probably also has some influence on their trade value as well. Perhaps not with the best GMs, but still.
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You misunderstood me. You said looking at only winshares is like looking at total points and instead should be looking at winshares/48 which is more like ppg. But I asked if it's better to look at winshares/48 as ppg/36 because then it's not skewed based on how much the player plays.

Or at least something of that ilk
Ah ok. Even then though it can be skewed. For example a guy like Acy might look too good in the few minutes played. Idk I'm not a big fan of /36. For me /game and true advanced stats (EFG%, TS%, etc) are more important. /game stats have their usefulness. But some of the best stats (such as stop percentage) are hard to find and I only know one individual who does them for the raps.
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Westbrook 5 and anthony 10. Back to that age-old argument about talent and contributing to winning basketball. There is a cricket term "flat track bully." which means a batter who is awesome when the conditions suit. The ball isn't moving, the bowler is tired.

That fits westbrook and anthony perfectly. Beat up poor opposition, pad the stats, flummoxed by good oposition.

To be fair, this article is about best nba players, so that probably does mean talent. But I wouldn't have them in my team.
Yeah - neither have contributed to winning basketball...We should just use this argument against every great player who hasn't won a championship. Chris Paul, D.Rose, Kevin Durant, John Stockton, Charles Barkley, Karl Malone, James Harden, Mitch Richmond, all talented, but flummoxed by good opposition.
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