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jeffb 07-20-2012 02:41 AM

SI article on the future of the Raptors
 
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LAS VEGAS–Dwane Casey, head coach of the Raptors, knows that when he talks about the skills and limitations of first-round pick Terrence Ross, it sounds as if he could be talking about DeMar DeRozan.

“It’s funny,” Casey said. “With both guys, the biggest chink in the armor is the need to get stronger and being able to fight for space and create off the dribble. They’ll both need to be in that weight room.”

Casey will never say it directly, but the Raptors’ drafting of Ross was a clear signal that they will be ready to move on from DeRozan next summer if he doesn’t develop, or if his price in restricted free agency gets too high. The Raptors are on pace to have a decent chunk of cap room next summer — something like $10 million — even after overpaying for Landry Fields. But they could have max-level room without DeRozan’s cap hold, and given that DeRozan is still just 22 with room to grow, he may be in line for one of those four-year, $28 million deals that can hamper a team’s flexibility going forward. Smart organizations understand the value of replacing so-so veterans with nearly equivalent players on rookie deals; that was the driving force behind San Antonio’s surprising trade of George Hill for Kawhi Leonard, though that deal was even better from the Spurs’ perspective, since Leonard filled a positional hole.

Casey swears the Raptors didn’t draft Ross for this reason. “We didn’t necessarily look at Terrence as someone who would replace DeMar,” he told SI.com in Las Vegas during summer league. “I haven’t thought about that at all. We just needed a shooter. We need as much shooting as we can get.”

Casey does concede that Ross will push DeRozan for playing time. “They’ll be battling for minutes,” he said. Both project as shooting guards more than small forwards if you prefer traditional positional designations; Casey prefers the generic term “wing,” and says Ross and DeRozan could play significant minutes together against the right opponents. That said, Landry Fields is penciled in as of now as the team’s starting wing alongside DeRozan, Casey said.

Ross probably didn’t help himself in that fight with his play in Las Vegas, where he averaged 14.5 points per game on just 26-of-70 (37 percent) shooting, including an ugly 6-of-24 from three-point range. But shooting is fickle, and Casey isn’t worried. He’s thrilled, in fact, with Ross’ progress on defense. It’s clear watching Ross that he has already learned how to defend the pick-and-roll from various places around the floor. When he’s guarding a shooter in the corner, Ross understands when he needs to stay home, and when he needs to crash into the lane, bump the screener rolling to the rim and then retreat back to his original man. That sounds easy–help on the open guy!–but Casey says rookies rarely get it the way Ross does this early.

“It’s one of the hardest things for a rookie to get,” Casey says. “They fall asleep.” Point guards in the NBA are very good at switching up the direction of a pick-and-roll, first going right, then crossing back over and using the same screener to go left. Those little shifts change what someone in Ross’ position in the corner is supposed to do, and Ross can read that stuff already. “I honestly didn’t know that about him when we drafted him,” Casey says. “I see it now.”

Ross looks like he’s going to be a feisty defender. He bumps those big guys hard, and he’ll fight them for rebounds in the paint. He won’t always box out his own man with that same vigor, and he has an occasional tendency to reach for balls instead of maintaining good position, but scouts and executives in attendance in Las Vegas agree he projects as a good defender. The consensus seems to be that Ross won’t ever be a star, but that he should be a productive starter on a good team.

DeRozan has been an average defender at best, and a subpar shooter from the wing. When Casey says the team needs “as much shooting as we can get” to space the floor, he’s talking about DeRozan and the rest of Toronto’s wing rotation. Jose Calderon, the incumbent point guard, is a very good shooter. Kyle Lowry, the bulldog defender who will jump Calderon in the rotation, has developed into an above-average long-range shooter. Andrea Bargnani, for all his faults, is an elite big man shooter.

DeRozan started last season hot from three-point range but quickly fell back to his normal levels, finishing at 26 percent from three-point range and 35 percent (40 is the league average) on long two-point jumpers. His development as an off-the-dribble threat also stalled out. Casey actually took the ball out of DeRozan’s hands a bit, cutting the number of DeRozan isolations and pick-and-roll plays for most of the season from DeRozan’s 2010-11 numbers, per the stat-tracking service Synergy Sports. He instead had DeRozan run off a lot of sideline picks, hoping that catching the ball on the move would unleash a consistently effective off-the-bounce game in a way high pick-and-rolls haven’t.

The results were hit-and-miss, in part because of DeRozan’s shaky shooting. Things were better when Bargnani was healthy and able to draw attention from defenders, opening up cleaner lanes for the other Toronto players; the Raptors scored at an average rate when Bargnani was on the floor and a near-Bobcats-level when Bargnani sat, per NBA.com’s stats database.

Ross has been running those same plays here, and he looks very comfortable catching-and-shooting anywhere from the three-point arc to the foul line. He also does well in reading defenders and changing his cuts accordingly; when he spots a defender cheating up toward the foul line, Ross will fake his normal curl, stop on a dime and cut backdoor. That will serve him well in the NBA, when guys often defend those curl plays jumping the cut.

Putting the ball on the floor is a different story. He looks uneasy in that regard, rarely turning the corner on pick-and-rolls and settling for awkward floaters when he does.

That sounds a lot like DeRozan, again. “The next step in the evolution for both of them is running the pick-and-roll and having an impact that way.” If DeRozan doesn’t make that leap this season, the Raptors will have a very interesting decision on their hands–a decision Ross can impact hugely with his play.

A few other Toronto notes:

• Casey, a defense-first coach, was ecstatic when he learned the team had a chance to nab Lowry in exchange for a first-round pick. Casey coached Randy Foye during his time as an assistant in Minnesota, and he remembered Foye, Lowry’s college teammate at Villanova, raving about Lowry’s crazy toughness.

• Casey has been in regular touch with Jonas Valanciunas, the Lithuanian center Toronto selected with the No. 5 pick in the 2011 draft. Casey last saw Valanciunas a few weeks ago in Houston, where the Lithuanian national team was training ahead of an Olympic qualifying tournament.

Valanciunas spent last season playing professionally in Lithuania, but he’s coming to Toronto this season, and Casey says he expects Valanciunas to seize a major rotation role immediately. “He’s been playing against grown men,” Casey says, “and they eat their young over there.” If Valanciunas does snag that kind of role, both Amir Johnson and Ed Davis will be on notice, though the Raptors’ trade of James Johnson to Sacramento last week removed one body from the team’s big man competition. Johnson has played both forward positions, but Casey says the team projected him mostly as a small-ball power forward. Linas Kleiza has played that role before in both Denver and Toronto.

• Casey’s goal for the team is to make the playoffs this season. “I’m not going to guarantee it,” he said, “but it’s a goal. The goal is always to build something, and keep improving. I think it’s a definite possibility.”

Terrence Ross and the future of the forgotten Raptors | The Point Forward

Shifty.py 07-20-2012 06:01 AM

First they ask of Demar to become a ballhandler and a shooter in one offseason, then knock on him when it doesn't work out.
Thrust him to a primary option when Bargnani is out? But with noone suitable to play a running game?
I don't like this campaign against him. All you get by making him compete for minutes is an unhappy Demar. Nobody wins.

rapsmannn 07-20-2012 06:32 AM

without andrea our offense went to a bobcat level, thats pretty scary just hearign that in the article, bobcats are the worst winning percentage team in nba history

wow

eazy187 07-20-2012 10:49 AM

If only we could get Bobcat level draft position. :cookie:

carp 07-20-2012 11:05 AM

Sounds like DD is really going to be pushed for once. After three years of being gifted minutes and showing a slowly-developing game, he's really going to have to upgrade his ball-handling, shooting and defensive pressure if he hopes to keep his spot. Ironically, we could be saying the same thing about Ross in three years, but much less likely given age difference. We'll probably know much sooner, but here's to hopiing that both can get much stronger much sooner than later because it's clear that they need to in this league. They should both take a page from James Harden's book.

Superjudge 07-20-2012 11:14 AM

1. They ask Demar to do those thing because thats an absolute requirement and he couldn't. You don't want to admit that DD is not a complete player fine, thats you, but the people that matter, his coaches, know what hew needs and if this makes him unhappy, thats fine too, he'll be easy enough to trade or let walk if he refuses to improve.

2. Andrea Bargnani is a poor rebounder. After that the guy is an elite player in his position. The sooner some people learn this the better. The criticism he gets from people that don't take the time to truly examine whats going on on the floor is ridiculous.

Superjudge 07-20-2012 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by carp (Post 672846)
Sounds like DD is really going to be pushed for once. After three years of being gifted minutes and showing a slowly-developing game, he's really going to have to upgrade his ball-handling, shooting and defensive pressure if he hopes to keep his spot. Ironically, we could be saying the same thing about Ross in three years, but much less likely given age difference. We'll probably know much sooner, but here's to hopiing that both can get much stronger much sooner than later because it's clear that they need to in this league. They should both take a page from James Harden's book.

Which page? I hope it's the Facial maintenance page...BEARDS!

DDUnreal 07-20-2012 11:22 AM

I hope its the page where one becomes a huge presence of the bench. Need a ball handler not named Jose back there.

snark 07-20-2012 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Shifty.py (Post 672826)
First they ask of Demar to become a ballhandler and a shooter in one offseason, then knock on him when it doesn't work out.
Thrust him to a primary option when Bargnani is out? But with noone suitable to play a running game?
I don't like this campaign against him. All you get by making him compete for minutes is an unhappy Demar. Nobody wins.

Couldn't give a rat's ass about " happiness" . Let's throw a surprise party for him to cheer him up.

It's his job, for which he gets paid, and paid well.

All you get by not making him compete is a less productive player.

Tommy C 07-20-2012 03:10 PM

If they wanted a scorer Lamb should have been picked while he was still on the board. The guy is a pure shooter, not sure about his D though.

jeffb 07-20-2012 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Tommy C (Post 672926)
If they wanted a scorer Lamb should have been picked while he was still on the board. The guy is a pure shooter, not sure about his D though.

Like is aid, I think we picked Ross over him because he can score, is known to play D and has a motor. Lamb's reputation was that he took plays off and was a bit lazy.

snark 07-20-2012 03:29 PM

The scoring is the bonus. They picked Ross because he upgrades the defence in the 2 spot. Watch his defence in the SL games. Ignore his shot in those games. You can teach shooting, especially to a guy who starts with good mechanics.


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