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Old 01-18-2012, 02:18 PM   #41 (permalink)
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yes he is an upgrad4e defensively. sure thing.

and it ends there.
Upgrade defensively, upgrade with playoff/championship experience, upgrade in quickness, upgrades our PG position pretty dramatically which is why it likely doesn't happen.
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Old 01-18-2012, 03:18 PM   #42 (permalink)
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Upgrade defensively, upgrade with playoff/championship experience, upgrade in quickness, upgrades our PG position pretty dramatically which is why it likely doesn't happen.
And is also among the league leaders every year in assists and steals.

Not to mention the fact that he knows how to run a team and create easy shots for teammates.

Trading Ed Davis & a top 5 pick = "selling the farm"?
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Old 01-18-2012, 03:30 PM   #43 (permalink)
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And is also among the league leaders every year in assists and steals.

Not to mention the fact that he knows how to run a team and create easy shots for teammates.

Trading Ed Davis & a top 5 pick = "selling the farm"?
lot of good stuff available in the top 5 picks.

Davis no real value there.
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Old 01-18-2012, 03:32 PM   #44 (permalink)
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If you're talking about shooting the ball then I can't disagree. There's much more to the game than that though. And Rondo excels in a lot of those other areas.

We're not getting Chris Paul or Derrick Rose.... and I highly doubt that Westbrook and D. Williams would be available to us either. So your options are limited at best when it comes to the PG position.
I realize that, but why "settle" for Rondo"? For that matter, does PG need to be upgraded that badly where the team gives up a young PF and a potentially a top-3 or top-5 pick in a deep draft? I'm not a huge fan of Calderon, but I don't think upgrading the PG is a high priority. Rather, the team needs a lead guy - one who can create shots for himself and his teammates, a guy who will take and make the clutch shots, and a guy who can take over games. Rondo isn't that guy. He might make the team more respectable, but he won't make the team a championship contender.

Obviously, such players are difficult to acquire via trade. Therefore, I would prefer the Raptors holding on to their #1 pick and future first-round picks in order to acquire these types of players via the draft.
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Old 01-18-2012, 04:48 PM   #45 (permalink)
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lot of good stuff available in the top 5 picks.

Davis no real value there.
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I realize that, but why "settle" for Rondo"? For that matter, does PG need to be upgraded that badly where the team gives up a young PF and a potentially a top-3 or top-5 pick in a deep draft? I'm not a huge fan of Calderon, but I don't think upgrading the PG is a high priority. Rather, the team needs a lead guy - one who can create shots for himself and his teammates, a guy who will take and make the clutch shots, and a guy who can take over games. Rondo isn't that guy. He might make the team more respectable, but he won't make the team a championship contender.

Obviously, such players are difficult to acquire via trade. Therefore, I would prefer the Raptors holding on to their #1 pick and future first-round picks in order to acquire these types of players via the draft.
This is supposed to be a very "PF-heavy draft".... which begs the question... WHO are you guys looking to draft that's going to be a franchise wing player next season?

We've spent SO many years watching this team score the ball and ignore every other facet of the game. Bosh actually did a credible job of taking over games and making clutch shots and people couldn't wait to see him leave.

Why not focus our attention on a player who makes OTHER players around him better and looks to get OTHERS involved rather than someone who just looks to chuck shots?
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Old 01-18-2012, 05:05 PM   #46 (permalink)
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We have an above average PG and above average PF. Our SG is young but will develop. We really need to get a SF and a C. Then we have to surround them with some shooters. We just don't have any good shooters on this team. Now that Casey has our team playing sound defence where are the shooters. Only NBA ready shooters on this team are Calderon, Barbosa and Bargs. Trading a draft pick for an impact player won't cut it. We have too many holes. Keep your picks and try to suck some teams in trading Bayless, Davis, Johnson, Forbes, Carter, Butler, Gray, !

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This is supposed to be a very "PF-heavy draft".... which begs the question... WHO are you guys looking to draft that's going to be a franchise wing player next season?

We've spent SO many years watching this team score the ball and ignore every other facet of the game. Bosh actually did a credible job of taking over games and making clutch shots and people couldn't wait to see him leave.

Why not focus our attention on a player who makes OTHER players around him better and looks to get OTHERS involved rather than someone who just looks to chuck shots?
1) teams defense is already alot better
2) Jose gets others involved before himself
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Old 01-18-2012, 05:37 PM   #48 (permalink)
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1) teams defense is already alot better
2) Jose gets others involved before himself
OK....

And the star wing that you're looking to draft? Who's that?
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Old 01-18-2012, 05:39 PM   #49 (permalink)
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Barnes, final. Is this even up for debate? lol
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Old 01-18-2012, 05:42 PM   #50 (permalink)
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This is supposed to be a very "PF-heavy draft".... which begs the question... WHO are you guys looking to draft that's going to be a franchise wing player next season?

We've spent SO many years watching this team score the ball and ignore every other facet of the game. Bosh actually did a credible job of taking over games and making clutch shots and people couldn't wait to see him leave.

Why not focus our attention on a player who makes OTHER players around him better and looks to get OTHERS involved rather than someone who just looks to chuck shots?
There are also a lot of swingmen eligible for the draft - Barnes, Lamb, Kidd-Gilchrist, Rivers, Beal, and Jones. All of them would fit a huge need for the Raptors.

Calderon actually gets people involved. He's not the penetrator or playmaker that Rondo is, but as we have seen in the past offence hasn't been an issue with Calderon at PG. What this team needs is a leading man. They don't have that right now, and Rondo isn't the answer.

If the Raptors can get another first-round pick, preferablyin the mid- to late teens, they could land a PG like Teague, Marshall, or Kabongo. That's the approach that I would be taking - there's no way I would be dealing the first-round pick for a player like Rondo.
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Barnes, final. Is this even up for debate? lol
yes

i see barnes ceiling as a richard jefferson type. good for much of his career, sprinkle in a couple all star games. good to have on ur team but definetely not a game changer
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i see barnes ceiling as a richard jefferson type. good for much of his career, sprinkle in a couple all star games. good to have on ur team but definetely not a game changer
who would you suggest to get int he draft then?
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OK....

And the star wing that you're looking to draft? Who's that?
not saying it is gonna come from the draft, but with the pick and some assets/capspace available it can certainly come from a trade, and make more of an impact than Rondo.
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not saying it is gonna come from the draft, but with the pick and some assets/capspace available it can certainly come from a trade, and make more of an impact than Rondo.
All of BC's trades have failed, draft pleease. Remember the Twin Towers? No one could stop them
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who would you suggest to get int he draft then?
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not saying it is gonna come from the draft, but with the pick and some assets/capspace available it can certainly come from a trade, and make more of an impact than Rondo.
Still waiting for a name....

Rose? Locked up in CHI.

Paul? No chance he comes here. Probably resigns with the Clips.

D. Williams or Westbrook? As far as I can see these are the only "star PGs" left who are arguably better than Rondo and possibly available. I think that both are pipe dreams though.


The draft doesn't always net you a guaranteed stud.

I can't imagine passing up a young PG who's still in his prime if the opportunity is there.
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Still waiting for a name....

Rose? Locked up in CHI.

Paul? No chance he comes here. Probably resigns with the Clips.

D. Williams or Westbrook? As far as I can see these are the only "star PGs" left who are arguably better than Rondo and possibly available. I think that both are pipe dreams though.


The draft doesn't always net you a guaranteed stud.

I can't imagine passing up a young PG who's still in his prime if the opportunity is there.
i actually agree and BC would be a fool to pass up an opportunity to grab a guy like rondo. he cant take over a game the way rose, westbrook and D Will, that being said hes clearly a top 5 pg. i would give up anyone on this team for rondo, including our 1st round pick.
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Old 01-18-2012, 07:03 PM   #58 (permalink)
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He needs to pick and roll, and rondo is lighting there, but sometimes the pg in that situation needs to be able to shoot.
Isn't JV supposed to be a really good pick and roll center?
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if we could somehow get Josh Smith here i'd give up Bargnani + our pick for starters to do it.
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who would you suggest to get int he draft then?
I like MKG but Quincy Miller seems more doable for me the way the season's going. He's like Durant-lite and if we follow the OKC building blocks (draft star SF, then all star PG a year after) we could be in their position 3-5 years from now.
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