Should the raps trade Amir Johnson?
Old 12-18-2010, 08:44 AM   #1 (permalink)
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At the beginning of the season he showed some signs of being a solid role player but lately all he has been doing is taking illadvised shots, constantly getting into foul trouble (which is nothing new), and he has terrible hands and cant hold onto the basketball. Do you think there is a team out there who is willing to take him and his contract?
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Old 12-18-2010, 08:53 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Yes, absolutely.

I like your thinking.

We should look to trade every player anytime they have a stretch of a few tough games. Especially the young guys still finding their way. Davis should be next...
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Old 12-18-2010, 09:03 AM   #3 (permalink)
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i like amir, but in a package to get a good player sf/sg or C, i woulddo it.
same thing for peja, wright, weems, dorsey, alabi and kleiza. because their are role player or have some value to trade with some other team and get here somenice piece.

but i likehim andif we can keep him at the PF backup, it would be fine.
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Old 12-18-2010, 09:20 AM   #4 (permalink)
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It's tough for him to be a starter after being a guy who plays 10-15 minutes off the bench.
It gonna take time. Yesterday, he fouled out with some bullshit calls, that's his main problem. If he solve that, He can be a 14/11 guy easily in the future IMO
Let's give him the time to adjust!
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Old 12-18-2010, 10:38 AM   #5 (permalink)
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even if amir magically develops into a decent player he has always been foul prone and the way he plays that will always limit hs minutes
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Old 12-18-2010, 11:52 AM   #6 (permalink)
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All I remember is last years pre-season, he and Reggie Evans played brutally bad, I didn't like either one of them from the start. Then during the season (as all Raptors have a TINNNNNYYYY bit of success at some point) People started hyping him up, and BC (as usual) signed him to a big contract. We need a mix of players, some vets on this team, not "time to develop" players. He's been in the league for 6 years now. Best thing is to get rid of him if you can.
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Old 12-18-2010, 11:56 AM   #7 (permalink)
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he is too foul prone to be a key part of the team, if there was another good big man ahead of him in the rotation then he'd be fine because we could get away with his extra fouls, but as a core player we can't afford to have him fouling all the time and having to bring someone worse than him off the bench
i'd trade him if the return was obviously better, package or not
i like to think that he's still developing and he's young, but he has been in the league for a long time already, young or not, the amount of years in the league should've given him a lot of experience, at least the experience to know not to foul so much, his years in the league should pretty much negate the fact that he's young
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I think theres been a topic to trade every single player now... Its getting redundent and people just need to shutp already.
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Old 12-18-2010, 12:46 PM   #9 (permalink)
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even if amir magically develops into a decent player
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Old 12-18-2010, 02:30 PM   #10 (permalink)
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I think theres been a topic to trade every single player now... Its getting redundent and people just need to shutp already.
+1 I've noticed this too. It seems like people here are content with 5-9 new faces every year than having their team stay together, learn and grow together, and gain some team chemistry.
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Old 12-18-2010, 02:44 PM   #11 (permalink)
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in fact the way this team this year has been build make trade possible.
peja, evans, wright, dorsey, weems are movable easly, so you can can argue this roster should stay together.
it doesn't make the player better.

i think we are all agree that most of the player in this team a re role player or young prospect.
so BC can improve this team by trade only.
maybe thread about trade are not the bigest idea, but the trade possibility are here, don't denied it.

and can you argue that amir so far does not respond very well to wath we wait from him.

he is still a prospect, but like say earlier, he is in the league since 5 or 6 years.
so even when you like a guy, you know he can bring you in a pakage a better player.
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Old 12-18-2010, 03:00 PM   #12 (permalink)
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i just think considering how long amir has been in this league he has already reached his full potential. I never really understand why the raps gave up humphries. I mean, hes a little more talented than amir except he doesnt get into foul trouble as much.
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Old 12-18-2010, 03:03 PM   #13 (permalink)
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At the beginning of the season he showed some signs of being a solid role player but lately all he has been doing is taking illadvised shots, constantly getting into foul trouble (which is nothing new), and he has terrible hands and cant hold onto the basketball. Do you think there is a team out there who is willing to take him and his contract?

Um, you act like his contract is an albatross. Amir is a young, healthy 23 year old with a great motor. Just like the Bargnani contract, his deal will look better in time not worse.

If Amir was 30, then yes, I'd definitely say given his play, it's time to go. At 30 your numbers go down, not up. Amir's problem is he just can't stay on the floor long enough without fouling; when he's on the floor, he's really effective. That can be fixed, and he's damn efficient when he plays for extended stretches.

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i just think considering how long amir has been in this league he has already reached his full potential. I never really understand why the raps gave up humphries. I mean, hes a little more talented than amir except he doesnt get into foul trouble as much.
You have a bad case of Grass is Greener syndrome.

Is Hump's 8 points (on 54% shooting), 9 boards, 1.1 blocks in 25 minutes really so much better than Amir's 9 points (on 58% shooting), 6 boards 1.1 blocks in 22 minutes? No, and Amir easily has more potential than Humphries. Hump at age 23 was averaging 5 points, 4 boards 46% shooting.

This is the first year that Humphries actually gets his role: rebound, throw some elbows around, make garbage buckets. He's 25 years old btw. This is the first year Hump has shot above 48% - remember when he was a Raptor how often he'd think he was a superstar and try to create offense for himself?

Amir's ONE problem is fouling too much. He's even shooting 81% at the line! The guy is crazy efficient, just give him some time!
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i just think considering how long amir has been in this league he has already reached his full potential. I never really understand why the raps gave up humphries. I mean, hes a little more talented than amir except he doesnt get into foul trouble as much.
Hump was terrible here.... all he did was come into games and shoot. He thought as the PF off the bench he should get Bosh's touches... lol.

Amir is a great third big and his contract isn't bad.... just right now they have two third bigs with Davis.... one will need to grow into a starter, but there is so much time for that and both have the potential for it.... Hump doesn't have that potential.
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Old 12-18-2010, 06:25 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Amir isn't going anywhere, especially with that contract. Sometimes I think he just gets into foul trouble so he doesn't have to play because he gives stupid fouls.
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Old 12-18-2010, 08:08 PM   #17 (permalink)
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100% you trade Amir immediately.

If you can get a better player in return.

No player is untradable.
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Old 12-18-2010, 08:25 PM   #18 (permalink)
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Agreed Superjudge. I personally would like to see Dorsey get some more burn. He rebounds, takes up space and has even been showing some improvement in blocking some shot. I think he would be a perfect compliment to a front court of Bargs and Kleiza.
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Old 12-19-2010, 10:22 AM   #19 (permalink)
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i just think considering how long amir has been in this league he has already reached his full potential. I never really understand why the raps gave up humphries. I mean, hes a little more talented than amir except he doesnt get into foul trouble as much.
hump is not more talented than amir, all hump is doing better than amir this year is getting more rebounds because he is not getting into foul trouble
hump's jump shot is worse than amir's, he's not as athletic, he can't block shots because he doesn't have the length, there's so much more that amir can bring to a game

besides, hump is playing on a team that is worse up front at the bigs than the Raptors is, if troy murphy wasn't hurt and playing at his best hump would see about 10 minutes a game
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Old 12-19-2010, 01:13 PM   #20 (permalink)
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I think theres been a topic to trade every single player now... Its getting redundent and people just need to shutp already.
Let's trade Bayless he's a bum! LOL
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