Should Bargnani start at the 3?
Old 11-13-2008, 12:56 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Should Bargnani start at the 3?

The way Jamario Moon has played this season on both ends.Should Bargnani get a shot at the SF starting assignment?The fact is he's playing much better,more consistent defence then Moon and is showing that he is better at the offensive end this season as well.

The fact is Moon gets blown by more then Kapono as the starting SF and his numbers are down from last season.

Moon- 7.6PPG/3RPG/1.6blk (28MPG)

Bargnani- 10PPG/4RPG/1.63blk (22MPG)

Ultimately, Bargnani can't be any worse then Moon who is imo the worst starting SF in the East if not the league.Worth a try as far as i'm concerned.And maybe Bargnani thrives and Moon wakes up and gives us better numbers off the bench playing 20 minutes a night.At the very least he may find a sense of urgency in seeing his career or lack there of whizing by.Jamario Moon does not look like a guy that is fighting to stay in the league and doesn't seem like a guy that is playing for his first major contract in the NBA.

So if not now, when will Moon wake up? And can the Raptors afford to wait untill he decides to play to his full potential.Hell this could very well be a thread about Joey (The two best atheletes on the team,can't get it together)but at least Sam isn't crazy enough to start Joey! Not yet at least?
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Begining of the year I would have said yes, but seeing as how Bargs has been working so hard at postups etc, to move him to the perimeter would only hurt his development.

But that being said, Sam needs to find a way to have his productive guys on the floor at the same time.
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I'm alright with it in small(i emphasize SMALL) spells throughout the game to throw a different look at the opposition but in general no. It thins out our big man ranks, creates a defensive disadvantage against many of the quick and athletic 3's in this league, further depletes the scoring punch(and i use the term loosely) our bench can bring... it's just not a good idea. It might work wonders against a euroleague team but not quality nba teams.
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I'm alright with it in small(i emphasize SMALL) spells throughout the game to throw a different look at the opposition but in general no. It thins out our big man ranks, creates a defensive disadvantage against many of the quick and athletic 3's in this league, further depletes the scoring punch(and i use the term loosely) our bench can bring... it's just not a good idea. It might work wonders against a euroleague team but not quality nba teams.
I disagree especially on the defensive end.He's shown himself extremly well at the defensive end.Not only that he scores alot easier then Moon ever could.Especially since Moon is too chicken to get to the rim. He'd get a tone of great looks with CB4/JO on the court! I just think that he wouldn't be any worse on D and is better on the offensive end. I'd start him but mix it up a bit between him/Moon/Kapono

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Start at the 3? FUCK NO. He's developing nicely as big man. His defense is really solid. Why fuck with it? You put him at the 3 and he's being guarded - and has to guard - quicker guys than him and it might shatter any confidence he might have... and it means all the work he did in the summer was for nothing.
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Start at the 3? FUCK NO. He's developing nicely as big man. His defense is really solid. Why fuck with it? You put him at the 3 and he's being guarded - and has to guard - quicker guys than him and it might shatter any confidence he might have... and it means all the work he did in the summer was for nothing.
My thoughts exactly Hoops ..... we've gotten Bargnani this far, switch him now and he takes a significant step backwards with respect to his confidence. Just just couldn't keep up with the smaller and much faster SF's.
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My thoughts exactly Hoops ..... we've gotten Bargnani this far, switch him now and he takes a significant step backwards with respect to his confidence. Just just couldn't keep up with the smaller and much faster SF's.
Then i'm guessing Joey's the answer? Something gotta give! It's obvious that Moon needs to come off the bench.I think Joey can give us 7/3 in 29MPG in his sleep.So maybe he's gonna get the start at SF?

Let's all hold our collective breath?
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Dude, you're not thinking logically. You have a guy who's had confidence issues in Bargnani. The team wanted him to be a PF, no, a SF, then the team wants him to be a 4/5 again. When he played the 3, he was getting wrecked by guys because he couldn't keep up. I can guarantee you that if he played the 3, he'd be out of the game in 3 minutes because he'd pick up 2 fouls. He's not quick enough to play the 3. Right now, you go with what you have and that's the Graham/Moon/Kapono commitee and hope that one of them emerges through.
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Bargnani can not guard the 3 spot and like it has been said he is finally showing signs of getting it down low. So let's not screw that up. So I say vote NO to Proposition 3-7.
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Old 11-13-2008, 02:26 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Just out of curiosity... who comes in to spell Bosh and JO if Bargs is playing the 3?

We don't have enough depth for that.
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No I wouldn't because if he did then there would be no one to back up On'eal and Bosh
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...Why would you want Kris Humphries to be the first big off the bench?
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Why do we have to stick with the traditional 3/4/5? If Raptors coaching staff can develop a system with JO/CB4/Andrea to play in the same time than is all good. Let other teams to adjust! And I think Raptors already experimented with these 3 guys playing simultaneous.
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Why do we have to stick with the traditional 3/4/5? If Raptors coaching staff can develop a system with JO/CB4/Andrea to play in the same time than is all good. Let other teams to adjust! And I think Raptors already experimented with these 3 guys playing simultaneous.
Once again my friend.... what about when they need rest? If we had 2 more serviceable bigs on the bench you could prob. give it a try but we don't....
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Why do we have to stick with the traditional 3/4/5? If Raptors coaching staff can develop a system with JO/CB4/Andrea to play in the same time than is all good. Let other teams to adjust! And I think Raptors already experimented with these 3 guys playing simultaneous.
Okay, say we start 3 bigs, um, who comes off the bench? Kris Humphries? who does he replace? he can't play the 3, he would not be much good there, so we put him in for either CB or JO, which is fine, but who scores? AB has the skills to play in a 3 man front, but he would quickly get burned by guys like Paul Pierce or Josh Smith as he is not quick enough to run with them all night so you are still stuck playing the man in the Moon or Jason "i can't stop anyone" Kapono, thus removing him from the front line rotation. enough of this talk! we need to cut 5 guys and hire some one who can play perimeter defense and stop any one!
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Once again my friend.... what about when they need rest? If we had 2 more serviceable bigs on the bench you could prob. give it a try but we don't....
The discussion is about "start" ... You can put Moon/Joey/Humph/Jawai(when he is back) anytime in game, not necessary to put another big to replace any of JO/CB4/AB.
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Okay, say we start 3 bigs, um, who comes off the bench? Kris Humphries? who does he replace? he can't play the 3, he would not be much good there, so we put him in for either CB or JO, which is fine, but who scores? AB has the skills to play in a 3 man front, but he would quickly get burned by guys like Paul Pierce or Josh Smith as he is not quick enough to run with them all night so you are still stuck playing the man in the Moon or Jason "i can't stop anyone" Kapono, thus removing him from the front line rotation. enough of this talk! we need to cut 5 guys and hire some one who can play perimeter defense and stop any one!
Moon/Joey/Kapono won't be able to stop Paul Pierce or Josh Smith either. That's actually the root problem.
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neither Bargnani or moon should be starting at the 3
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neither Bargnani or moon should be starting at the 3
neither Bargnani or moon should be playing for this team.
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moon has done nothing wrong overall, the guy is making like $1-2 million, so he's pretty much making what someone who's like the bottom on the bench is making
so basically the guy is playing when he's not even supposed to, its not his fault the coach puts him in the rotation, sure its his fault that he isn't really performing, but in actuality he's been put into a role that he's not supposed to be able to perform and that nobody else on the team making more than him is doing any better
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