Shooting Guard Question...

Go Back   Raptors Forum | Toronto Raptors Forums & Message Boards > NBA Discussion > Toronto Raptors

View Poll Results: Would you trade Demar DeRozan for James Harden?
Yes. 22 40.00%
No. 33 60.00%
Voters: 55. You may not vote on this poll

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 08-21-2011, 11:24 PM   #1 (permalink)
is pounding the rock!

Senior Member
 
Superjudge's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 17,371
Representing:
Shooting Guard Question...

I have a simple poll.

Would you trade Demar Derozan for James Harden straight up?

Yes?

No?
Superjudge is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 08-21-2011, 11:25 PM   #2 (permalink)
Captain of the Jamario Moon fan club.

Born Unready
 
Dark Knight's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Electric Avenue
Posts: 15,552
Representing:
Default

Nope.
Dark Knight is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 08-21-2011, 11:29 PM   #3 (permalink)
mirin' Gao-sthetics

Distributor of Swag
 
CommunistCrunch's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Memory Lane
Posts: 796
Representing:
Default

Yes. Unless Demar can also grow a beard
CommunistCrunch is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 08-21-2011, 11:29 PM   #4 (permalink)
Captain of the Jamario Moon fan club.

Born Unready
 
Dark Knight's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Electric Avenue
Posts: 15,552
Representing:
Default

I guess I should elaborate a bit more here. James Harden is the perfect compliment player. He can pass, shoot, dribble, and even defend a little. Now, the reason I would not trade him for DeMar straight up is because of the potential DeMar possesses. This kid wants to be the best, and knows how hard he has to work to get to that level. And with that athleticism he has, I can see him someday becoming a very dangerous threat on the offensive side of things, and hopefully on the defensive end as well.

I can see Harden becoming a Ginobili type player, while DeMar has a chance to be an elite level player if he can put it all together. Call me crazy, but that's my honest opinion.
Dark Knight is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 08-21-2011, 11:33 PM   #5 (permalink)
.

Senior Member
 
carp's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Toronto
Posts: 11,506
Representing:
Default

Right now, Harden is so much better..... potential can get you fired too.

I'd be happy with either though but Demar has a lot of work to do just to get to Harden's level. What gives me hope is the same way that Harden seemed to take a huge jump last year.....
carp is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 08-21-2011, 11:47 PM   #6 (permalink)
is pounding the rock!

Senior Member
 
Superjudge's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 17,371
Representing:
Default

Manu is pretty good man.
Superjudge is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 08-21-2011, 11:52 PM   #7 (permalink)
jonas smellandchewthis

Senior Member
 
thought's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 4,731
Representing:
Default

in terms of bball IQ Harden is on another level altogether, and is much more refined in almost every aspect of the game - ball-handling, shooting, passing, play-making, defense, etc.

right now it's not close - i think if harden were on this team, and had the opportunities demar has, you'd see a 20/5/3 type of player. we'll see though, demar made a big jump from his first to second year, and i feel like he's got one more big jump in him. this will be a closer comparison after next season, whenever that is.
thought is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 08-22-2011, 12:25 AM   #8 (permalink)
Captain of the Jamario Moon fan club.

Born Unready
 
Dark Knight's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Electric Avenue
Posts: 15,552
Representing:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Superjudge View Post
Manu is pretty good man.
Totally agree, but Manu cannot carry an offense. Nor is he a "franchise guy". Like I said, Harden is an excellent secondary option and is admittedly the better player right now, but in a few years it could easily be the other way around.
Dark Knight is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 08-22-2011, 01:01 AM   #9 (permalink)
is waiting

Senior Member
 
Blaze's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 1,253
Representing:
Default

I've thought about this before, idk. Harden is easily better than Demar right now but his room for growth isn't as much. The sky's the limit for Demar and can really be something special, I just don't see that in Harden.
Blaze is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 08-22-2011, 01:44 AM   #10 (permalink)
baking the cookies of discontent.

Corner 3
 
finstock's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Vancouver
Posts: 3,113
Representing:
Default

Considering the state of the franchise, shoot for the moon with Demar. Harden's a safer bet, but Demar offers the bigger payout.
finstock is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 08-22-2011, 02:20 AM   #11 (permalink)
is pounding the rock!

Senior Member
 
Superjudge's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 17,371
Representing:
Default

great feedback guys. I love what I'm reading.

I thought about this after seeing Harden play in the playoffs. He wasn't the same guy I saw in his rookie year. He seemed, like a man. he got it, he dug in HARD on defence, and he played with a certain intensity. thats why it is an intriguing question to ask for me. I voted YES to get the ball moving but my honest answer is I don't know what I'd do.
Superjudge is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 08-22-2011, 07:12 AM   #12 (permalink)
Waiting for DD's 1st in game wind mill Dunk

Senior Member

 
halphbreedballer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: T.O.
Posts: 4,879
Representing:
Default

No to a trade straight up
halphbreedballer is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 08-22-2011, 08:36 AM   #13 (permalink)
is pounding the rock!

Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 516
Representing:
Default

Even though I love DeMar and the athleticism he brings, I would trade him for Harden right now.

Harden is just a lot craftier than DeMar. DeMar's type of play is more susceptible to injury.
SoGood is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 08-22-2011, 09:19 AM   #14 (permalink)
is the baby faced assassin

Banned
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: YO MAMMA
Posts: 81,104
Representing:
Default

yes

OKC wouldn't do this
jeffb is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 08-22-2011, 09:28 AM   #15 (permalink)
landry fields forever

Banned
 
Acie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Living in a van down by the river
Posts: 19,089
Representing:
Default

Does it really matter?

They both got schooled by Kobe.

Not to mention, one was drafted 3rd overall and while the other was taken 9th in the same draft.

Could you imagine if Colangelo had used the 3rd overall on a 6th man.
Acie is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 08-22-2011, 09:36 AM   #16 (permalink)
chucking wood like a woodchuck would if a woodchuck could chuck wood

Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 724
Representing:
Default

Absolutely.
ValanciunasFanboy is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 08-22-2011, 09:40 AM   #17 (permalink)
is the baby faced assassin

Banned
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: YO MAMMA
Posts: 81,104
Representing:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Acie View Post
Does it really matter?

They both got schooled by Kobe.

Not to mention, one was drafted 3rd overall and while the other was taken 9th in the same draft.

Could you imagine if Colangelo had used the 3rd overall on a 6th man.

he's the sixth man on an excellent team. do you think he'd be the sixth man here? hell, derozan shouldn't have been starting in his first season.
jeffb is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 08-22-2011, 09:41 AM   #18 (permalink)
chucking wood like a woodchuck would if a woodchuck could chuck wood

Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 724
Representing:
Default

Reading the comments - I've no idea why some of you guys think DeMar has more potential. Home bias? To me, Harden is clearly better now, and huge upside.
ValanciunasFanboy is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 08-22-2011, 09:43 AM   #19 (permalink)
LX
effin' ineffable

In the Paint
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Toronto
Posts: 30,071
Representing:
Default

I dare say that Harden would look pretty shitty on a shitty team. Well, not shitty, but it would be much harder to assess what he can offer. The two players are both going to need the right personnel around them to succeed. So it would be the other moves made to fill out this team that would be as important if not more so.
LX is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 08-22-2011, 09:58 AM   #20 (permalink)
landry fields forever

Banned
 
Acie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Living in a van down by the river
Posts: 19,089
Representing:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by jeffb View Post
he's the sixth man on an excellent team. do you think he'd be the sixth man here? hell, derozan shouldn't have been starting in his first season.
While Harden might be slightly more skilled at the moment, although less athletic, I'm sure DeRozan would look just as good playing against other teams bench players or playing alongside Durant and Westbrook.
Acie is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 04:35 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.1
Copyright ©2000 - 2015, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright RaptorsForum.com 2005-2011

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24