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Old 09-04-2012, 05:26 PM   #1 (permalink)
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There will be children on the West Coast who will not even have begun their trick-or-treating by the time Jonas Valanciunas picks up his third foul trying to defend Roy Hibbert. Worst offseason signing was Landry Fields, hands down.
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TO-DO LIST: Bringing in Lowry doesn’t solve the dilemma with Calderon, who is wildly overpaid as a starter – let alone as a backup – but was not an amnesty victim. Perhaps he will be an asset at the trading deadline. A better backup would have been Jerryd Bayless, but when the Raptors pulled his $4 million qualifying offer, he signed with Memphis. If Calderon is dealt or requests a buyout, Lucas – who really is a third point guard – becomes Lowry’s backup. Restricted free agent Sonny Weems took a deal with CSKA Moscow, so the Raptors still have One roster spot. If Colangelo wants to fill it, he should do so with a veteran willing to contribute professionalism and maturity, because although there is a growing talent pool here, this is a frighteningly young team that has nothing close to resembling a leader. The GM should also hope that 2011 first-round pick Jonas Valanciunas doesn’t get hurt in the Olympics.

PROJECTION: The collection of youth is a good thing because there won’t be any voices undermining coach Dwane Casey’s continued mission of getting the Raptors to play hard and defend every night. Colangelo also is positioned well to extend DeMar DeRozan in training camp or next summer. Lowry was a great addition but not enough. Unless Toronto does something dramatic – which would likely involve Calderon – it remains on the outside looking in as far as the postseason is concerned.
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Old 09-04-2012, 05:32 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Really, Landry Fields? Worse than Asik? Or Ryan Anderson? Or Kris Humphries?

Yea. Okay.
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Old 09-04-2012, 05:34 PM   #3 (permalink)
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And Orlando is 8 spots higher than us.
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Old 09-04-2012, 05:57 PM   #4 (permalink)
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He's not that far off base. This team really needs a veteran presence. To have so much youth, and the coach as your sole leader, is not a great situation. Instead of a vet we got Fields, a dude that sputtered through his sophomore season. There are nice signs, and they are undoubtedly headed in the right direction, but they need to make at least one more move to get the kind of 8-9 man rotation that makes sense every night. Colangelo does indeed need to do something dramatic. And it looks like that will not be happening until around the trade deadline, or the next off-season, which is fine by me, but that does mean that this team could easily take a step backwards for a good month or two, and then they could be looking at a certain amount of disharmony.
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Old 09-04-2012, 06:07 PM   #5 (permalink)
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He's not that far off base. This team really needs a veteran presence. To have so much youth, and the coach as your sole leader, is not a great situation. Instead of a vet we got Fields, a dude that sputtered through his sophomore season. There are nice signs, and they are undoubtedly headed in the right direction, but they need to make at least one more move to get the kind of 8-9 man rotation that makes sense every night. Colangelo does indeed need to do something dramatic. And it looks like that will not be happening until around the trade deadline, or the next off-season, which is fine by me, but that does mean that this team could easily take a step backwards for a good month or two, and then they could be looking at a certain amount of disharmony.
Mehhh,

Lowry- 26yrs old
Derozan- Going into his fourth season
Bargnani- 26yrs old
Gray- 27yrs old
Kleiza- 27yrs old
Calderon- 31yrs old
Lucas- 29yrs old
Amir- 25yrs old (in the league 7yrs)

There's a decent mix imo of veterans, young veterans and young players (rookies, sophomores). To think that this team with a healthy Bargnani and an upgrade at PG is going to be quite a bit worse than last season is asinine no matter what the reasoning is. I could see being 20-22 (i would put us in the 15-20 range) but #29? A little ridiculous.
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I don't care what this washed-up columnist think about our team. He's in no position to offer his "power rankings" when there are no games have been played yet for 2012-13 season.
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Mehhh,

Lowry- 26yrs old
Derozan- Going into his fourth season
Bargnani- 26yrs old
Gray- 27yrs old
Kleiza- 27yrs old
Calderon- 31yrs old
Lucas- 29yrs old
Amir- 25yrs old (in the league 7yrs)

There's a decent mix imo of veterans, young veterans and young players (rookies, sophomores). To think that this team with a healthy Bargnani and an upgrade at PG is going to be quite a bit worse than last season is asinine no matter what the reasoning is. I could see being 20-22 (i would put us in the 15-20 range) but #29? A little ridiculous.
Wow - great list of guys that haven't managed to fully establish themselves. That's not the kind of veteran that I nor Sheridan has in mind.

Do they really need to be quite a bit worse than last season to deserve this ranking? There were aspects of last season that were quite successful, but you have to have some rose colored glasses and sport permanent wood for Colangelo to not see that by and large it was some horrid basketball.

How do they get worse with said upgrade, and a healthy Bargnani? It's not that hard to fathom, and pretty asinine to suggest asininity. There are three more rookies to work into the scheme of things. There's a dude who went from the toast of manhattan to a bad season to who knows what now in the small apple. There's maybe the wrong kind of pressure on DeRozan and Calderon going into contract years with a lot of questions. And there's less of a sense of what the team's core is or will be from last season when the emphasis for everyone was on defense and Demar and Bargnani were allowed to carry the bulk of the offensive load. There are a lot of new roles to be defined this time around, and much more expectations for a real team to take shape. You need a mature vet without self-interest to help that process along, especially when it becomes abundantly clear that there are moves that need to be made.

Now I'm not suggesting these guys absolutely cannot over-achieve. I think they will, though it might take some time and losing streaks for that to happen. And until it happens it's not all that unfair or asinine to put them in the basement. This is not a prediction of how the team will do right? It's an assessment of what they look like right now? Not far off from the basement at the moment. It's really hard to imagine them setting the world on fire right out of the gate. I just hope they are able to handle that so they don't go on to dip fom there. Though I'm sure Landry Fields will come play patty-cakes with Jose and the ship will be righted and they'll never look back.
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Old 09-04-2012, 08:27 PM   #8 (permalink)
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It's not impossible for Raps to be worse, but highly unlikely imo. If rookies are not going to be all that great they will still be good enough to play bench minutes with Caldy feeding them. Bargs will hopefully stay healthy, Fields, DD, Ed and Kleiza should be better than last year. Plus upgrade at PG, i think too many things would have to go wrong for us to be worse than last year
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Wow - great list of guys that haven't managed to fully establish themselves. That's not the kind of veteran that I nor Sheridan has in mind.

Do they really need to be quite a bit worse than last season to deserve this ranking? There were aspects of last season that were quite successful, but you have to have some rose colored glasses and sport permanent wood for Colangelo to not see that by and large it was some horrid basketball.

How do they get worse with said upgrade, and a healthy Bargnani? It's not that hard to fathom, and pretty asinine to suggest asininity. There are three more rookies to work into the scheme of things. There's a dude who went from the toast of manhattan to a bad season to who knows what now in the small apple. There's maybe the wrong kind of pressure on DeRozan and Calderon going into contract years with a lot of questions. And there's less of a sense of what the team's core is or will be from last season when the emphasis for everyone was on defense and Demar and Bargnani were allowed to carry the bulk of the offensive load. There are a lot of new roles to be defined this time around, and much more expectations for a real team to take shape. You need a mature vet without self-interest to help that process along, especially when it becomes abundantly clear that there are moves that need to be made.

Now I'm not suggesting these guys absolutely cannot over-achieve. I think they will, though it might take some time and losing streaks for that to happen. And until it happens it's not all that unfair or asinine to put them in the basement. This is not a prediction of how the team will do right? It's an assessment of what they look like right now? Not far off from the basement at the moment. It's really hard to imagine them setting the world on fire right out of the gate. I just hope they are able to handle that so they don't go on to dip fom there. Though I'm sure Landry Fields will come play patty-cakes with Jose and the ship will be righted and they'll never look back.
I admire your efforts to justify this ranking, LX, but frankly this just looks like blind Raptor hate coming from Sheridan. That's not to say Sheridan couldn't be correct in his assumptions, but the fact is that as this team is currently constructed, we are poised to at least become a fringe playoff team. At least. And the chances of us doing worse than last year would have to be pretty small, in my opinion.

And as jeff pointed out, Sheridan has Orlando ranked substantially higher than us with their core of Aaron Afflalo and Hedo Turkoglu. So there's that.
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Wow - great list of guys that haven't managed to fully establish themselves. That's not the kind of veteran that I nor Sheridan has in mind.
You said this team lacks veteran presence, i pointed out 8 players that are veterans to various degrees, Derozan going into his 4th year is a fringe veteran but whatever. Now if you meant significant veteran i have to agree, this team lacks a significant veteran but that's usually the case for a team 2years into a rebuild. Still say this list is way off, more than just the Raptors. Hell, the Cavaliers being 9 spots ahead of us is abit of a joke as well.

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If Orlando finishes higher than the Raps this season and grabs the 8th playoff spot, Bryan Collangelo will receive a 80% approval rating in a raptorsforum.com poll next off-season after losing Derozan in free agency and acquiring Timothy Mozgof
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It's not impossible for Raps to be worse, but highly unlikely imo. If rookies are not going to be all that great they will still be good enough to play bench minutes with Caldy feeding them. Bargs will hopefully stay healthy, Fields, DD, Ed and Kleiza should be better than last year. Plus upgrade at PG, i think too many things would have to go wrong for us to be worse than last year
Again though, and it's Jeff that has mislead in this regard so I don't blame you, this is a snapshot of the rankings as of now, not a prediction of where they end up. These rankings change from week to week. I could easily see this team being worse than last season in the first week, maybe right up through the first month.

And Orlando could easily look better than us during that timespan, considering they will have a whole different set of expectations. It's going to be much easier for them to over-achieve, and much harder for the Raptors from last season since there will be so much more on their collective plate, and they are going to need further moves to be able to properly take it all on.
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You said this team lacks veteran presence, i pointed out 8 players that are veterans to various degrees, Derozan going into his 4th year is a fringe veteran but whatever. Now if you meant significant veteran i have to agree, this team lacks a significant veteran but that's usually the case for a team 2years into a rebuild. Still say this list is way off, more than just the Raptors. Hell, the Cavaliers being 9 spots ahead of us is abit of a joke as well.
Yeah, I stand corrected. The guys you listed will amount to a veteran presence based on the number of years they have been in the league. Colangelo must come to you for advice regularly.
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Yeah, I stand corrected. The guys you listed will amount to a veteran presence based on the number of years they have been in the league. Colangelo must come to you for advice regularly.
Was that needed? All i'm saying is that we have vets. Do we have great vets, nope. Are you disagreeing?
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Sorry, I get it now. Boo hoo hoo, and fuckity fuck fuck. Some dude that knows something says we will still suck. He probably just looked at how we did in fact suck almost every single year and failed to look past all that to see the true glory that awaits this team from the very start of an epic season to be. What a fucking douchebag not to do his proper homework. Doesn't he have one inkling that a healthy Bargnani is clearly the key to success, and that every team in the NBA only wishes they could try to keep Andrea at 100 percent through a full season just for the certain payoff that would await?
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Was that needed? All i'm saying is that we have vets. Do we have great vets, nope. Are you disagreeing?
Did you even read what the dude in the piece wrote? Did you even try to comprehend what I posted? Meh.
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Old 09-04-2012, 09:24 PM   #17 (permalink)
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Sorry, I get it now. Boo hoo hoo, and fuckity fuck fuck. Some dude that knows something says we will still suck.
Says who? Yeah these dickwads are always right.

Well what was i thinking.....i mean thinking that we wouldn't drop 7 spots in the standings...... duh?
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15-20 is a reasonable projection......


..... if pretty much everything that could go right for us.... does. Our talent pool is just that much lower than most other teams.

29 is obviously on the low end, but not at all preposterous.
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29 is obviously on the low end, but not at all preposterous.
I think it is. Last season we missed Bargnani for 36 games (more than half the season). Started the season with 4-5 vet minimum contract players that were, well shall we say SHIT, ended the season with Calderon in a suit and had a couple 10 day contracts that played decent but the talent was pretty lacking. And yet we ended up 22nd overall.

FFWD to this season, we have a much better defensive & offensive PG, a healthy Bargnani (hopefully he stays that way), a real Center that even though he's in a rookie year should be pretty good imo. All that and we actually have a very solid coach and we're predicted to drop 7 spots. Now, could we drop to be the 2nd worst team in the NBA if our top 2-3 players can't stay healthy.....sure, in fact it's probably what would happen if we can't stay healthy but that could be said about a dozen other teams. Two thing is for sure imo, this team should be a hard working team with Lowry in the starting 5, coupled with Casey coaching in his second season here and it should be a very fun team to watch.

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Well coached team + Good D + Hard working team + Health = better than 29th

The only question mark out of that equation is health, the rest should be there.
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This is why I've never heard of Sheridan hoops lol. We're not very good but not the second worst team in the league.
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