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Old 11-25-2011, 10:39 PM   #141 (permalink)
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my 2 main points are, in short: 1) Bosh being 3rd option is being wasted 2) if Bosh is the best player on your team that team is going now where
So you would say that there has not been a successful team with a player of Bosh's calibre (not an elite superstar) as the best player? If that's the case, then it's just inaccurate. Furthermore you don't need a clear delineation between options 1-2-and 3. It's much more important to build a system that compliments each, as well as the guys that might be there for nothing more than defense or rebounding or whatever. You get that happening - and Miami got a long ways there in one season - and you just can't say that anyone is being wasted. If you want to delineate the value of individual payers based on the perception of where they fit on some kind of food pyramid, I just can't find it of much interest or relevance. It ends up just being an opinion that might mean something to some, but only in some abstract sense. And maybe that works with rel basketball being so far off from reality anyways.
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Old 11-25-2011, 11:05 PM   #142 (permalink)
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different opinions make this site terrific... let's not gang bang that shit out of anybody. Seems like nobody is a hundred percent correct.
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Old 11-25-2011, 11:14 PM   #143 (permalink)
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So you would say that there has not been a successful team with a player of Bosh's calibre (not an elite superstar) as the best player? If that's the case, then it's just inaccurate. Furthermore you don't need a clear delineation between options 1-2-and 3. It's much more important to build a system that compliments each, as well as the guys that might be there for nothing more than defense or rebounding or whatever. You get that happening - and Miami got a long ways there in one season - and you just can't say that anyone is being wasted. If you want to delineate the value of individual payers based on the perception of where they fit on some kind of food pyramid, I just can't find it of much interest or relevance. It ends up just being an opinion that might mean something to some, but only in some abstract sense. And maybe that works with rel basketball being so far off from reality anyways.
Pretty much what I've been trying to say.

Make no mistake here... I'm not simply trying to pump up Bosh because I'm still loyal to the guy... I'd defend ANY good player in the same situation.

Dirk took a lot of heat when DAL was bounced by GS... and there were pundits who said that he just wasn't tough enough to get the job done... I never agreed with that. You saw what happened once DAL altered their formula and got a better TEAM in place that complimented their star.

Ditto for Kobe when he was carrying the Lakers by himself for a few seasons.

Ditto for KG in Minny until he got Spree and Cassell that one year.

Look at what happened to D12's success once his cast started to suck this year.

It's very difficult to fault a single player for a lack of success when the rest of the team just isn't up to snuff.

That's pretty much been my point.
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Old 11-26-2011, 01:50 AM   #144 (permalink)
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Geez, people should lern2read and take off their elitist-goggles before hounding a guy. I got his point the first time he said it, it's written in plain English.
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Old 11-26-2011, 01:52 AM   #145 (permalink)
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So you would say that there has not been a successful team with a player of Bosh's calibre (not an elite superstar) as the best player? If that's the case, then it's just inaccurate.
actually there haven't been many. The classic example of the Pistons is misleading because they had 5 very good players who were all underpaid. You can't build a team like that around Bosh if he eats 1/4th of your cap space to begin with ...

And even so, they were fairly lucky to catch the league at bad stretch. The Lakers were falling apart due to internal struggle, and the new crop of superstars was only starting to make waves. The eastern conference was a joke so they had no real competition to get to the finals, while all the good teams were bunched up in the west.

As soon as wade and lebron got going, it was game over for the Pistons. In today's environment, with so many extraordinary talents, I think it would be impossible to replicate their success, even if you got lucky with a few well-priced contracts.
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Old 11-26-2011, 04:34 AM   #146 (permalink)
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I don't see this.

Bosh honored his contract and was entitled to look elsewhere? Why should he restrict his FA options so we can get a trade? At the end of the day the NBA is business and there's no room for sentiment.
echo what panda said in terms of etiquette and respect and just repeat the anthony scenario. Yep, Bosh was entitled to do what he wanted but so was anthony.
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Old 11-26-2011, 04:58 AM   #147 (permalink)
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You're not making much sense Panda. "I didnt' say he wouldn't excel"...and yet..."I doubt they would have made the playoffs".

Yes not the same thing, but you're kind of coming close to a contradiction. From what I can tell you're saying Zach Randolph is a better Power Forward then CB. Torap is simply disagreeing. What is stressing you out?


I personally think when we look back 15 years from now Bosh will have had one hell of a career. Dude has been solid despite lacking some passion. He's gone through some off-court issues at the ripe age of 25. I think his best years are ahead of him and a lot of people here have forgotten how skilled CB really is. He still has the potential and opportunity to be the best NBA bigman in his generation.
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I completely see Panda's point and it has merit... I think it's taken as criticism of Bosh but it's not.... maybe he's winning in Miami, but by taking the easy road, he's not maximizing his skills as a third option there. That is all.

Good job panda, I understood fully despite not agreeing that Bosh is a great second star for a team either but that's absolutely irrelevant to your point.
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I think too much gets made of being option 1-2 or 3. It's about how the team succeeds and how the pieces fit and work together. Bosh can easily prove to be a key part of a very successful team. Lo and behold, Miami did not fizzle out while trying to figure out whose team it was. They made it about the team rather than the individual. Bosh just needs to carry on with greater consistency, as a guy that is essential to his team on both ends. It just doesn't matter how that gets compared to ZBo - as he is proving essential in other ways to the success of his team. What will matter will be how far the respective teams get. Does anybody think Kevin McHale would have been better off as a starter for the Nets?

sometime when people's back and forths are getting confused and tangled up it requires someone to come in and make a concise statement. to me all these did that.

Really i'm with LX on it, when it comes down to my 1st sport, soccer, I've always concentrated on the team and tactics and how the players gel and i think it's probably even more so true in basketball, as there are less players. I think Bosh has fitted in well in Mia and their chemistry is good. It's well established that when moving to a bigger team with other star players you may have to make sacrifices, it appears Bosh has made more than the others, but that's another debate.

I've understood the main points of panda AND torap and both have made valid points imo. Personally i'm closer to torap on it. There's a lot of theoretical talk involved, unless Bosh had gone down the trade route the only other option was going to Chi, i do agree mayeb that would've worked out better for Bosh the player and ceartainly for Chi! But at the same time who wouldn't want to go where james and wade are? Both to enjoy playing the sport and to win things.
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Old 12-31-2011, 12:29 AM   #148 (permalink)
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Bosh finally gets his revenge!! Sweet revenge

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Old 12-31-2011, 12:34 AM   #149 (permalink)
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That's messed up!


We should do an over/under on how fat Shaq will get in retirement.
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Old 12-31-2011, 01:01 AM   #150 (permalink)
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lol after watching that video, kevin hart was right
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Bosh looked buff in that video.
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Old 12-31-2011, 03:26 AM   #152 (permalink)
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Bosh looked buff in that video.
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Old 12-31-2011, 10:40 AM   #153 (permalink)
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The average employee can make 7 widgets an hour in factories across North America.

Bob can make 10 widgets and hour in a factory in Miami

Frank can make 10 widgets an hour in a factory in Cleveland

Enzo can make 8 widgets an hour in a factory in Toronto

To save money, ACME Widgets Miami decides to employ all 3 in one factory. Problem is, there are only 2 widget machines in Miami. Bob and Frank, with their spectacular 10 widgets an hour output will usually be working the widget machines. Every once in a while they get Meta world Peace flu or a Tyson Chandler sick day, so Enzo gets to use one of the widget machines. On those days, he produces his usual 8 widgets an hour.

Too bad for Enzo though. He usually uses the Spud 2000 machine in Miami. He can produce 7 widgets an hour with that. So he's contributing and the company is prospering, and Bob and Frank are getting quite a few accolades for their production, as usual.

But I can't shake the feeling that Enzo might be wasting 1 widget an hour using the Spud 2000 in Miami.
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That 1 widget an hour is worth the Miami sun.
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The average employee can make 7 widgets an hour in factories across North America.

Bob can make 10 widgets and hour in a factory in Miami

Frank can make 10 widgets an hour in a factory in Cleveland

Enzo can make 8 widgets an hour in a factory in Toronto

To save money, ACME Widgets Miami decides to employ all 3 in one factory. Problem is, there are only 2 widget machines in Miami. Bob and Frank, with their spectacular 10 widgets an hour output will usually be working the widget machines. Every once in a while they get Meta world Peace flu or a Tyson Chandler sick day, so Enzo gets to use one of the widget machines. On those days, he produces his usual 8 widgets an hour.

Too bad for Enzo though. He usually uses the Spud 2000 machine in Miami. He can produce 7 widgets an hour with that. So he's contributing and the company is prospering, and Bob and Frank are getting quite a few accolades for their production, as usual.

But I can't shake the feeling that Enzo might be wasting 1 widget an hour using the Spud 2000 in Miami.
I hear you and all, but have you really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
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The average employee can make 7 widgets an hour in factories across North America.

Bob can make 10 widgets and hour in a factory in Miami

Frank can make 10 widgets an hour in a factory in Cleveland

Enzo can make 8 widgets an hour in a factory in Toronto

To save money, ACME Widgets Miami decides to employ all 3 in one factory. Problem is, there are only 2 widget machines in Miami. Bob and Frank, with their spectacular 10 widgets an hour output will usually be working the widget machines. Every once in a while they get Meta world Peace flu or a Tyson Chandler sick day, so Enzo gets to use one of the widget machines. On those days, he produces his usual 8 widgets an hour.

Too bad for Enzo though. He usually uses the Spud 2000 machine in Miami. He can produce 7 widgets an hour with that. So he's contributing and the company is prospering, and Bob and Frank are getting quite a few accolades for their production, as usual.

But I can't shake the feeling that Enzo might be wasting 1 widget an hour using the Spud 2000 in Miami.
I totally get you.... Bosh is a suppla-mental widget!

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Old 12-31-2011, 01:42 PM   #158 (permalink)
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I totally get you.... Bosh is a suppla-mental widget!

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Old 12-31-2011, 02:17 PM   #159 (permalink)
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Shaq is the worst 4th option in Basketball analysis. Dude is making TNT unwatchable. BRING BACK C WEBB!!! His look at me I'm a fat ass with nothing to say, so I'm going to dance or wear a costume got old quick.
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Old 12-31-2011, 06:29 PM   #160 (permalink)
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We should do an over/under on how fat Shaq will get in retirement.
He should make another Shaq vs with Charles Barkley and do a donut eating competition.
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