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Old 11-24-2011, 08:49 AM   #101 (permalink)
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1. Dirk
2. Pau
3. Amare
4. Randolph
5. Bosh

Randolph? He wasn't even top 10 prior to the second half of last season.
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What does Ny of this pf comparison bs have to do with the thread?? Point is, shaq said shit about bosh, and it was pretty good. Win something before you play the part of the fool beating your own chest, and continually blowing your own horn.
arguments develop, let if floooowww man!
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1. Dirk
2. Pau
3. Amare
4. Randolph
5. Bosh
1. Dirk
2. amare, griffin, love, aldridge, bosh, z-bo
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Randolph? He wasn't even top 10 prior to the second half of last season.
doesn't matter... we're talking currently... and it's not like Zack didn't have the talent, he just didn't have the motivation.

I'd be more surprised how anyone could leave Aldridge from that list.... dude is easily top 5 right now.
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doesn't matter... we're talking currently... and it's not like Zack didn't have the talent, he just didn't have the motivation.

I'd be more surprised how anyone could leave Aldridge from that list.... dude is easily top 5 right now.

agreed. I placed a load of PFs at no. 2 coz it's hard to say really, but if you pushed me i would say aldridge is superior to Bosh and stoud. I really enjoyed watching aldridge come on strong last year.

For me Pau has to prove he's still got it to get back into my thoughts, he had quite a few awful games, he just looked old man! sometimes that could be caused by just an injury or real drop in form, but to me he needs to re-prove himself.

griffin is obviously a very different player. But he's just so damn explosive and such a scoring threat. I might have judged him a little high on overall basketball ability.
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I bet all these guys would have there way with dirk if the german economy wasn't the powerhouse of the europe and texas wasn't one of the healthiest and biggest economys in the states.

there i said it, leagues rigged, and this nowitski talk make me want to vomit. Bigman getting calls on fadeaways, makes me sick

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doesn't matter... we're talking currently... and it's not like Zack didn't have the talent, he just didn't have the motivation.

I'd be more surprised how anyone could leave Aldridge from that list.... dude is easily top 5 right now.
+1. I don't think enough people watch Aldridge...the dude is a beast in the low block and his jumper is super smooth and effective. His rebounding and D is also solid. He did struggle against Dallas, but I think Bosh, and other PFs at his level, would do that same if they were the first option on their teams.
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Old 11-24-2011, 02:09 PM   #108 (permalink)
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Besides everyone's top 5 as mentioned.... other PFs I would rather have on my team than Bosh at max money....

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lamarcus aldridge steped up huge too
He played well for a while without a doubt, but I need to see him keep up this level of play for more than half a season before I put him in the top 5.

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The question was "who was better than Bosh last season?" btw. Not "based on the past few years".
The other guys, they played like legitimate MVP candidates even if for a few months last year. Pau and Amare first half of the season.
Aldridge the second half.
Z-Bo played like an MVP candidate most of the year and all playoffs tbh, and he would've been a candidate....if he wasn't Z-Bo... and if Grizzlies were a 56 wins team instead of 46 (which would be very realistic if they had full year of Tony Allen and Rudy Gay).
Bosh, he had some flashes and some good games. Not at the level of those 4.
Pretty sure that Pau, Amare, Aldridge and Zach all got more touches than Bosh did.

Bosh always showed up in the big games when the Heat needed him to though... he flat-out dominated Gasol in those 2 games against the Lakers.
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He played well for a while without a doubt, but I need to see him keep up this level of play for more than half a season before I put him in the top 5.



Pretty sure that Pau, Amare, Aldridge and Zach all got more touches than Bosh did.

Bosh always showed up in the big games when the Heat needed him to though... he flat-out dominated Gasol in those 2 games against the Lakers.
To me it's not about touches... I don't think Bosh does enough outside of his touches.
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Pretty sure that Pau, Amare, Aldridge and Zach all got more touches than Bosh did.

Bosh always showed up in the big games when the Heat needed him to though... he flat-out dominated Gasol in those 2 games against the Lakers.
I'm not talking about stats though. KG was MVP in 2008 as far as I'm concerned, and he got the same amount of touches as Bosh this year, and he played less games.
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I think what hurts Bosh the most (outside his fragile emotions) is that he's just not an intelligent player. He has a lot of tools, great shot, quick first step, length and agility, but he's not very creative. And let's face it, he's kind of lazy too. He's a good all around player though, doesn't dominate his fellow PFs in any one category, but he's fairly strong in all areas.

It's funny though how much damage the move to Miami did to his reputation. Two years ago his fans were arguing he's an MVP-level player who is hurt because he has no decent players around him. Now we're debating whether he's a top 5 PF or not and his fans are arguing that he's hurt because he's not getting enough touches
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I think what hurts Bosh the most (outside his fragile emotions) is that he's just not an intelligent player. He has a lot of tools, great shot, quick first step, length and agility, but he's not very creative. And let's face it, he's kind of lazy too. He's a good all around player though, doesn't dominate his fellow PFs in any one category, but he's fairly strong in all areas.

It's funny though how much damage the move to Miami did to his reputation. Two years ago his fans were arguing he's an MVP-level player who is hurt because he has no decent players around him. Now we're debating whether he's a top 5 PF or not and his fans are arguing that he's hurt because he's not getting enough touches

good take on it.

As neither really a fan or a total hater (i kinda hate him for what he did but i still follow his progress coz he was the man in the 1st raps game i ever attended,) I think his current situation is about right. He probably was one of the very best PFs at his best in toronto but since then you've seen the arrival of griffin, the improvement of aldridge and the annoying "oh now dirk has got a ring we remember how good he is," attitude and he is at a team with 2 players who are better than him who played the big time charlies (english phrase!) when they signed.

it's all about perception isn't it. For me he is playing at a high level, doesn't really matter where he ranks, at a good team.

as i've said a few times now tho, would've been nice for the team that brought him into the league if he coulda got us a trade out of his leaving.
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as i've said a few times now tho, would've been nice for the team that brought him into the league if he coulda got us a trade out of his leaving.
I don't see this.

Bosh honored his contract and was entitled to look elsewhere? Why should he restrict his FA options so we can get a trade? At the end of the day the NBA is business and there's no room for sentiment.
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I don't see this.

Bosh honored his contract and was entitled to look elsewhere? Why should he restrict his FA options so we can get a trade? At the end of the day the NBA is business and there's no room for sentiment.
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To me it's not about touches... I don't think Bosh does enough outside of his touches.
But guys like LA, Zach and Amare do?

Bosh's rebounding took a bit of a hit.. but when you play with 2 of the best rebounding wing men in the game that's to be expected.

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I'm not talking about stats though. KG was MVP in 2008 as far as I'm concerned, and he got the same amount of touches as Bosh this year, and he played less games.
KG in 2008 > Bosh

KG in 2008 was also > pretty much everyone else save maybe TD.

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I think what hurts Bosh the most (outside his fragile emotions) is that he's just not an intelligent player. He has a lot of tools, great shot, quick first step, length and agility, but he's not very creative. And let's face it, he's kind of lazy too. He's a good all around player though, doesn't dominate his fellow PFs in any one category, but he's fairly strong in all areas.

It's funny though how much damage the move to Miami did to his reputation. Two years ago his fans were arguing he's an MVP-level player who is hurt because he has no decent players around him. Now we're debating whether he's a top 5 PF or not and his fans are arguing that he's hurt because he's not getting enough touches
LOL.... Bosh has always had his haters. Every single season they looked for someone.. ANYONE... to hype over him. Remember when it was Channing Frye and then David Lee?

People hated him when he was here even when he was flat-out beasting and tearing teams up.... so why would it be surprising that they continue to hate him now?

Lazy? Good Lord... Are we going to just start fabricating now?
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Torrap.... I do think LA has a bigger impact defensively than Bosh, yes. Amare? I think his presence on the court is greater than Bosh's but he is atrocious on D just like Bosh. Zach showed how unstoppable on O he can be.... I think if he can continue to show that, then it makes up for it, but you're right, he needs to show that more than a brief stretch in one season given that he's been around for years.

I think Bosh has become too much of a spectator to the Wade and Lebron show.... it was inevitable really, given how much those two demand the ball. It's why he's not the ideal fit with them, he needs touches and time with the ball to maximize his skillset. Just my opinion.

Put Bosh on another bad team and he'd be their star.... he's got the skill but unless he's a focal point, I don't see him being a wise choice for a contending team with that kind of a contract. I think Miami could have spent better but obviously the three of them made that part of the deal but pretended it wasn't the case. Any third wheel will get open shots and single coverage when he's beside two of the top 5 players in the game.
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i've said this before and i'll say it again, if the best player on ur team is bosh, that team isn't going anywhere. we've seen what Bosh has done being the best player on his team for 7 years, we've seen what LA has done being the best player on his team in his first year at being the best player and same with ZBO. also, it wasn't something that was established with LA and ZBO heading into the season. they went out and took it and became the best player on their team as the season went along. LA and Bosh are essentially the same type of players too, jump shooting bigs. but the difference lies in leadership and the ability to carry a team. thru good and tough times. both LA and ZBO step up big time last year.
make arguments on the differences in supporting casts all you want because that just based on speculation instead of what has happened in the past. switch Bosh with either players last year and their teams don't do as good in my opinion
bosh's best fit is being the complementry piece. a very good 2nd option. being a 3rd option is a waste

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Torrap.... I do think LA has a bigger impact defensively than Bosh, yes. Amare? I think his presence on the court is greater than Bosh's but he is atrocious on D just like Bosh. Zach showed how unstoppable on O he can be.... I think if he can continue to show that, then it makes up for it, but you're right, he needs to show that more than a brief stretch in one season given that he's been around for years.

I think Bosh has become too much of a spectator to the Wade and Lebron show.... it was inevitable really, given how much those two demand the ball. It's why he's not the ideal fit with them, he needs touches and time with the ball to maximize his skillset. Just my opinion.

Put Bosh on another bad team and he'd be their star.... he's got the skill but unless he's a focal point, I don't see him being a wise choice for a contending team with that kind of a contract. I think Miami could have spent better but obviously the three of them made that part of the deal but pretended it wasn't the case. Any third wheel will get open shots and single coverage when he's beside two of the top 5 players in the game.
Again though.... the finals in their 1st year together! That's HUGE. And Bosh certainly played his part. He was solid against Philly... played KG to a standstill against BOS... and shredded CHI (who had some of the best defensive bigs around).

He's quick, mobile and has the ability to step out and hit the J... and he can still be counted on to rebound. He played very, very well off of Lebron and Wade (particularly when 1 of them was on the bench).

I just don't see a better fit for the Heat unless you're talking about dealing Lebron for D12 or something.

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i've said this before and i'll say it again, if the best player on ur team is bosh, that team isn't going anywhere. we've seen what Bosh has done being the best player on his team for 7 years, we've seen what LA has done being the best player on his team in his first year at being the best player and same with ZBO. also, it wasn't something that was established with LA and ZBO heading into the season. they went out and took it and became the best player on their team as the season went along. LA and Bosh are essentially the same type of players too, jump shooting bigs. but the difference lies in leadership and the ability to carry a team. thru good and tough times. both LA and ZBO step up big time last year.
make arguments on the differences in supporting casts all you want because that just based on speculation instead of what has happened in the past. switch Bosh with either players last year and their teams don't do as good in my opinion
bosh's best fit is being the complementary piece. a very good 2nd option. being a 3rd option is a waste
I don't know why people keep harping on this.

Our team flat-out SUCKED for the better part of 7 seasons (with the 1 exception being the year that we had TJ and Garbo in the lineup)... and Bosh routinely played with guys who had flirted with the D-league, or were castoffs of other teams. WTF did you want the guy to do beyond what he did??


And AGAIN... how is getting to the finals "a waste"?
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I don't know why people keep harping on this.

Our team flat-out SUCKED for the better part of 7 seasons (with the 1 exception being the year that we had TJ and Garbo in the lineup)... and Bosh routinely played with guys who had flirted with the D-league, or were castoffs of other teams. WTF did you want the guy to do beyond what he did??


And AGAIN... how is getting to the finals "a waste"?
which is why i suggested that if u switch Bosh with LA or ZBO, the blazers or grizz wouldn't have accomplished what they accomplished last year...
you'll keep emphasizing his supporting cast sucks and i'll keep saying even if he had a good supporting cast, if he is still the teams best player, that team is going nowhere. just differences in opinion

and i have no idea how u got "getting to the finals a waste" from "bosh being a 3rd option is a waste"
i'm saying Bosh is a great 2nd option so its a waste of his talents being a 3rd option.....jesus....

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