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Old 11-17-2011, 02:39 PM   #61 (permalink)
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Possibly, I haven't read the book. Bullying is bullying, doesn't matter who the victim is.



Yeh, slagging people off is such an art isn't it. Takes a lot of talent to point out other peoples short comings.... Personally I prefer justified adult debate on the merits of people's skill sets.




Even I can see Bosh was influenced by the other 2. You think he deserves to be 'hated' as a result? How old are you?
I suggested he invited it, not that any actual and true hate was deserved. I used the word hate, but we're really discussing criticism.... I hope you actually understand that, and it has nothing to do with my actual age.

You may not like what Shaq brings and to be clear, it's not something I necessarily wish to follow... I just think it's better that he speaks his own truth rather than hopping on the NBA's hype train which is exactly what fostered the entire HEAT situation anyways.

Comprende amigo?
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Is Shaq bullying Kobe? Lebron? He's not just picking on weak targets.... and he's absolutely right about the chest-pounding. Bosh and gang invited this hate by how they went about it.... pretending not to know, parading around, dancing/chest-pounding during games.... c'est la vie.

Kudos on Shaq for not turning into a censored tv personna that just loves everyone..... nobody wants to watch that shit. The league already does it enough for everyone else.
i dunno man. I totally see ur point, think bosh's "chest pounding" was ott and he should be able to be pulled up on it. but like durant, taj and that bayless guy, there's been this undercurrent of him being a "pansy." Just think Bosh has become a bit of a target, why not rag more so on james and wade? And i agree with the arguments put forward by some that Bosh showed he was a very good player at times in play-offs. Never bought this "got to win titles to prove yourself" argument. Play big in big games, sure but titles can slip through your grasp.

also totally agree that we need more colourfull characters like shaq around. just wanna see more of the harmless shit like this!


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Old 11-17-2011, 02:53 PM   #63 (permalink)
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I suggested he invited it, not that any actual and true hate was deserved. I used the word hate, but we're really discussing criticism.... I hope you actually understand that, and it has nothing to do with my actual age.

You may not like what Shaq brings and to be clear, it's not something I necessarily wish to follow... I just think it's better that he speaks his own truth rather than hopping on the NBA's hype train which is exactly what fostered the entire HEAT situation anyways.

Comprende amigo?
Yeh, comprende.

Although I wouldn't say he's being necessarily ground breaking by slagging off Bosh (like everyone else). It's certaintly hopping on a train, regardless of whether it's the NBA one.

Lastly, let's not forget Shaq is actually making money by slagging off Bosh, which to me, is somewhat pathetic.

I'm actually a fan of Shaq's game, for what it's worth.
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Old 11-17-2011, 03:00 PM   #64 (permalink)
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Yeh, comprende.

Although I wouldn't say he's being necessarily ground breaking by slagging off Bosh (like everyone else). It's certaintly hopping on a train, regardless of whether it's the NBA one.

Lastly, let's not forget Shaq is actually making money by slagging off Bosh, which to me, is somewhat pathetic.

I'm actually a fan of Shaq's game, for what it's worth.
Some would suggest that Shaq helped start the slag-bosh train..... the rupaul of big men? Yeah, he's making money off it, but he's not only slagging Bosh, who originally suggested O'Neal liked to camp out in the lane, which not only called out the refs but also Shaq's ability to contribute without benefiting from missed calls. It's a grey area but again, Bosh could have just sucked it up.

I get Bosh takes a lot off the chin, but easiest answer is to shut up and stop making yourself stand out with dumb behaviour and comments. Dude could have left here as a multiple all-star selection and not as a wolf uncaged.
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Old 11-17-2011, 09:39 PM   #65 (permalink)
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It's a team game where in order to be succesful, a team requires an elite level superstar type of player. Miami has two in Wade and Lebron, the Mavs have Dirk, the Bulls have Rose, etc...

Shaq was saying Bosh was trying to pretend he's one of the big boys, when he's not.

And Shaq has always been very candid and at times controversial. Remember the Sacramento Queens, mocking Asians when asked about Yao, Kobe tell me how my ass tastes, etc....I don't understand why anyone would be shocked or surprised by his book, unless he says bad things about someone's pride and joy.
You're right. Shaq has always "acted the fool" when it's come to giving out soundbites... people have always laughed them off though and known better than to take them seriously....

.... until he says something about "Enemy #1 in Toronto" and suddenly he's a prophet who only speaks the truth. Lol.... right.

Again... what does Shaq know of having to carry a team by himself? The dude's played with some of the best players of the past 10-15 years. All-stars and 1st team all-NBAers.

Argue all you want but Shaq doesn't win shit without Kobe in LA.... and he certainly doesn't win a ring in MIA without Wade.
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You're right. Shaq has always "acted the fool" when it's come to giving out soundbites... people have always laughed them off though and known better than to take them seriously....

.... until he says something about "Enemy #1 in Toronto" and suddenly he's a prophet who only speaks the truth. Lol.... right.

Again... what does Shaq know of having to carry a team by himself? The dude's played with some of the best players of the past 10-15 years. All-stars and 1st team all-NBAers.

Argue all you want but Shaq doesn't win shit without Kobe in LA.... and he certainly doesn't win a ring in MIA without Wade.
I agree with your points... but I'll add that Shaq would have won instantly if paired with LBJ and Wade in all of their primes.
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I agree with your points... but I'll add that Shaq would have won instantly if paired with LBJ and Wade in all of their primes.
Honestly.... I really wonder about that. The clash of egos would have been HUGE with those 3 in the mix... plus, Wade and Lebron would have been relegated to outside shooting with Diesel clogging the lane.

Remember what happened when Shaq went to PHX? Couldn't even make the playoffs... and the dude had Amare and Nash.
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Honestly.... I really wonder about that. The clash of egos would have been HUGE with those 3 in the mix... plus, Wade and Lebron would have been relegated to outside shooting with Diesel clogging the lane.

Remember what happened when Shaq went to PHX? Couldn't even make the playoffs... and the dude had Amare and Nash.
Shaq in Phoenix was nowhere near his prime.... but I see some merit there....
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Honestly.... I really wonder about that. The clash of egos would have been HUGE with those 3 in the mix... plus, Wade and Lebron would have been relegated to outside shooting with Diesel clogging the lane.
Star sickness isn't the same as egos on the court.
None of those guys is Kobe or Iverson.
Shaq is a good guy. He likes to talk trash about his ex teammates. But I don't remember his ego being a huge killer problem with any of his contemporary teammates aside from Kobe.
He was a lot like LeBron, playful and wanted to be a buddy with everyone.
I think it would be an awesome personality fit. And an awesome team. All those guys may be pretty immature but ego clash? I don't see it.

As for LeBron and Wade getting relegated to outside shooting -- you mean like Kobe and Penny Hardaway were?...
If you have an amazing passer in the paint who also commands a double team at all times, and all you do is shoot 3s, you need to fire the coach. Or you need good spanking.

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Remember what happened when Shaq went to PHX? Couldn't even make the playoffs... and the dude had Amare and Nash.
Remember what happened when Jordan went to Washington? Couldn't even make the playoffs, twice... yes, the dude only had Jerry Stackhouse and Larry Hughes, but wasn't he supposed to be the best ever?!!
Jordan sucks.
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As for LeBron and Kobe getting relegated to outside shooting -- you mean like Kobe and Penny Hardaway were?...
If you have an amazing passer in the paint who also commands double team at all times, and all you do is shoot 3s, you need to fire the coach.
The Magic and the Lakers had DEADLY outside shooting... it just didn't come from Penny or Kobe (although Kobe wasn't bad).

One of the Heat's weaknesses is that their outside shooting isn't very good. Other than Mike Miller they don't really have a regular rotation player who fills it up. Both Lebron and Wade are going to be on the floor at the same time which means that one of them is going to have to keep the defenses honest.

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Remember what happened when Jordan went to Washington? Couldn't even make the playoffs, twice... yes, the dude only had Jerry Stackhouse and Larry Hughes, but wasn't he supposed to be the best ever?!!
Jordan sucks.
Neither Stackhouse nor Hughes were all-stars and the Wizards were NEVER a good team (except for a year or two when Arenas was going nuts). Comparing them to Nash & Amare is like comparing apples to walnuts.

Not sure what your point is there....
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The point is that you don't judge Shaq's or Jordan's prime based on their late 30s stints.

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Both Lebron and Wade are going to be on the floor at the same time which means that one of them is going to have to keep the defenses honest.
They are already on the floor at the same time and they are already mixing it up. What's new? They are taking a few 3s a game.
Your point was that somehow they'd be relegated to 3 pt shooting because Shaq clogs up the lanes, which is an odd idea.
Prime Shaq is a double team machine with great passing. Whatever he clogs, he opens up more by drawing two three guys. That's exactly the perfect fit instead of Bosh trying to force midrange shots on isos. Not to mention the D.
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It's hard to explain to people here the notion of a post up opening up space towards the net.

If Valancuinas struggles getting space with Bargnani hanging out at the three point line, you'll hear people argue all season that Bargnani is the perfect match for Val because Bargs "spreads the court".


As for Bosh, he is still 27 years old. He's really turned into kind of a wimp...something I'm confident never would have happened under Mitchell's tutelage for a few more seasons. I'm a big Bosh fan so I'm still praying he turns it around before it's to late. And even if he doesn't, dude is still putting up all-star numbers and he outplays some of the best in the game in one on one match ups. He's a top 5-7 PF in the league.

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I don't recall Kobe hanging out on the perimeter. Toraps is confusing Shaq with Dwight, and the comparison is pretty telling in this instance. One guy played basketball to it's fullest, the other fumbled the ball away trying to feed 3 point shooters.
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I'm watching the last quarter of game 4 between Indy and Orlando in 95. Shaq missed three dunks and went 0 or 8 from the stripe, before fouling out. It was a battle to the end against a gritty group of 2-way players the likes of McKie, Workman, the Davis twins, Smits, good old Sam Mitchell, and Reggie making his mark with a 3 - at the end of course. But Penny followed by hitting one of his own. Freddy is singing Don't Stop Me Now. Good times. Who stopped all that?
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Smits with the buzzer beater to win. Amazing game. Shaq pissed. I'd like to read about that one.
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Chris Bosh is like a Jonas lite, which beats Shaq any day of the week and twice on Sundays.
Ok. Clearly youre kidding right...
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They are already on the floor at the same time and they are already mixing it up. What's new? They are taking a few 3s a game.
Your point was that somehow they'd be relegated to 3 pt shooting because Shaq clogs up the lanes, which is an odd idea.
Prime Shaq is a double team machine with great passing. Whatever he clogs, he opens up more by drawing two three guys. That's exactly the perfect fit instead of Bosh trying to force midrange shots on isos. Not to mention the D.
Ummm.... so going to the finals in their first season together was some kind of failure now for the Heat?

Bosh was a PERFECT compliment to James and Wade for pretty much the entire season (after the first 16 games) and the playoffs.

He stretched the D, could create his own shot, run the floor and rebound in traffic. He's just not a shotblocker.

Shaq didn't fail in PHX because he was old (he admitted that he was actually in the best shape he'd been in in years when he was a Sun due to their great training staff).... he failed because he wasn't a good fit there.

When he was in the post he was in Amare's way and the attention that he drew clogged the lanes so that Nash didn't have nearly as much space to roam (something that he excels at with his active dribble).

No disputing the fact that Shaq was a great passer.... but if you don't have guys like Nick Anderson, Dennis Scott, Glen Rice or Robert Horry filling it up for you reliably then you're going to struggle.
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Ummm.... so going to the finals in their first season together was some kind of failure now for the Heat?

Bosh was a PERFECT compliment to James and Wade for pretty much the entire season (after the first 16 games) and the playoffs.

He stretched the D, could create his own shot, run the floor and rebound in traffic. He's just not a shotblocker.

Shaq didn't fail in PHX because he was old (he admitted that he was actually in the best shape he'd been in in years when he was a Sun due to their great training staff).... he failed because he wasn't a good fit there.

When he was in the post he was in Amare's way and the attention that he drew clogged the lanes so that Nash didn't have nearly as much space to roam (something that he excels at with his active dribble).

No disputing the fact that Shaq was a great passer.... but if you don't have guys like Nick Anderson, Dennis Scott, Glen Rice or Robert Horry filling it up for you reliably then you're going to struggle.
I wouldn't say he was the perfect compliment... in fact, the three of them aren't either.

Shaq stating he was in great shape doesn't prove anything. Many repeatedly suggest Wade won Shaq a ring and he clearly was on the decline in Miami and also Phoenix. He wasn't a great fit but he also wasn't a dominant Shaq either. Shaq in his prime didn't need to 'fit in'
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