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Old 11-16-2011, 11:27 AM   #41 (permalink)
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yes shaq is right, we all know he's right and most of us share this view. but its one of those things thats like, ya you're right....but did u have to point that out? what was the point of you coming out and saying that? so what?
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Old 11-16-2011, 11:54 AM   #42 (permalink)
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It's not Bosh's fault that he was talked up as a franchise-level talent, it's just sad that he believed it to actually be true. I think he'll continue to do well in Miami given all the defensive attention Wade and Lebron garner, but if he was a more defensive force in the paint I'm confident Miami would have won their first of multiple championships last year. He's basically filling the same role an aged McDyess is filling in SA right now but for max money. He's doing it well, but it's quite telling.
Sorry Carp, but he had a bigger hand in that than you make it seem. Especially in his time in Toronto. Most of the time he talking a big game. Saying how he wanted to be discussed with the likes of Wade and James, his MVP goals, His embarrassing calling out of the fans, his attempts at media attention. These aren't the actions of a humble athlete just putting in his time... nah he has been every bit a primadonna that one would expect from the lamest of superstars.

All of this bad attention he is getting is exactly what he deserves.
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Old 11-16-2011, 11:55 AM   #43 (permalink)
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i think shaq's pov is simple.
who gets paid the most on that team = bosh
who is the least relevant star = bosh
who hasnt done anything relevant in his career = bosh
who does most of the chest pounding = bosh
who is fading away slowly = shaq

i think it all comes down to shaq, knowing he is retired, knowing he isnt the big deal anymore and is slowly fading away - he wants to get his name in the mix, he wants to start some controversy - so he picks on the easiest victim. he's just bullying the kid who wont fight back and is seen to some as the easiest to pick on.
i think it irks the superstars, like shaq, when they lose their limelight and they see someone who is undeserving of their superstar status getting recognition (undeservedly, in his opinion), and they act like they are the best.
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Old 11-16-2011, 11:56 AM   #44 (permalink)
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shit does he really get paid the most?

oh man.
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Old 11-16-2011, 01:01 PM   #45 (permalink)
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It's a team game where in order to be succesful, a team requires an elite level superstar type of player. Miami has two in Wade and Lebron, the Mavs have Dirk, the Bulls have Rose, etc...

Shaq was saying Bosh was trying to pretend he's one of the big boys, when he's not.

And Shaq has always been very candid and at times controversial. Remember the Sacramento Queens, mocking Asians when asked about Yao, Kobe tell me how my ass tastes, etc....I don't understand why anyone would be shocked or surprised by his book, unless he says bad things about someone's pride and joy.
I disagree with this wholeheartedly. There have been plenty of teams that have been successful without elite superstars. And plenty of teams with elite superstars that went nowhere. If Shaq didn't have Wade while on the Heat he would not have gotten very far, but he was more than happy to beat his chest.

I'm not sure why you're trying to take a potshot at me in suggesting I'm being overly defensive about Bosh. I just said the chest-pounding is bothersome, and I only came into this thread to correctly point out that the Heat likely would not make the Finals without Bosh. I remember that the Heat were generally written off after losing game one of that series. That changed abruptly and dramatically, and it took teamwork, particularly on defense to make that change occur. I really don't see how plugging in another PF would have allowed that to happen. You'd have to make significant changes to the whole team.

Sorry I couldn't just tow the party line and moan and groan about Bosh being a douchebag. If I cared about who was douchey I probably wouldn't watch the NBA. So fuck me then - sorry for trying to contribute.
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Old 11-16-2011, 06:14 PM   #46 (permalink)
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LOL..... Tim Duncan and Karl Malone are probably the 2 greatest PFs ever to play the game (both also played on great teams from Day 1). There are MANY, many PFs who will never compare favourably to either of those guys.

As for top centers of all time?

I would put Hakeem right under Wilt. Never seen a C with footwork and defensive ability like his (Hakeem's). True all around game.

Shaq's not in their league.
Hilarious. You have a short memory. There was a time that Shaq was unguardable,in fact his only defficiency was on the stripe. If he was a good FT shooter....jesus.
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Old 11-16-2011, 06:22 PM   #47 (permalink)
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i think shaq's pov is simple.
who gets paid the most on that team = bosh
who is the least relevant star = bosh
who hasnt done anything relevant in his career = bosh
who does most of the chest pounding = bosh
who is fading away slowly = shaq

i think it all comes down to shaq, knowing he is retired, knowing he isnt the big deal anymore and is slowly fading away - he wants to get his name in the mix, he wants to start some controversy - so he picks on the easiest victim. he's just bullying the kid who wont fight back and is seen to some as the easiest to pick on.
i think it irks the superstars, like shaq, when they lose their limelight and they see someone who is undeserving of their superstar status getting recognition (undeservedly, in his opinion), and they act like they are the best.
I disagree man. There are a billion Ex athletes who are pissy that they can't play. Its part of being an athlete. The reason you're even having this conversations is that Shaq is relevant, willbe too.

People wanna hear him talk.

He was the best interview in the game when he was in it, and he is still up there now. Media outlets don't puush boring. Boring books don't sell. And anyone who isn't entertained by this guy doesn't really have a sense of humour.

Are we really pissy he took shots at Bosh?? who gives a shit, Bosh is a big boy, he can handle it, hell, Barklay rips all three of those guys all the time.

Truth is, Bosh did have his own team, and he didn't do shit with it. You can debate all day long as to why that was, but the big fish, the old retired legends, they don't care, they just look at winning.... did you win? Nope. The STFU and stop bangin your chest like tarzan buddy.

IS HE RIGHT? Who knows, I personally thought Bosh was actually better than the other two in the finals, but he also sucked it up his own share too. Thing is, people don't like people that talk shit when they got nothing to show for it all.

Shaq has lots, and lots, and was one of the best EVER at his position. And he is funny as all hell. he has really big hands too.
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Old 11-16-2011, 06:29 PM   #48 (permalink)
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I am amazed at how many people are going at Shaq here.

You can hate him for his off court actions/things he says all you want (which is true of any player and still relevant if Shaq wants to hate on Bosh), that's fair game.

To question Shaq's talent and importance on championship teams is just getting silly if you ask me.
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Old 11-16-2011, 06:32 PM   #49 (permalink)
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agreed.
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Chris Bosh is like a Jonas lite, which beats Shaq any day of the week and twice on Sundays.
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Don't get me wrong. I loved watching Shaq and seeing him play live was something I will never forget. And from what I've read from the book excerpts, it looks really interesting. He does lose me with the petty shit, like this stuff about Bosh and making an issue of Howard calling himself Superman. He should stick to being the larger than life personality that he is. That's all.

That said, it was Wade that got him his last ring. Well, Wade and all those calls Wade got. Shaq did play a big part in getting that team to the Finals though. And he allowed Wade to grow his game in a hurry.
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Chris Bosh is like a Jonas lite.
Ok let's not get carried away. Maybe wait to see how he does in the NBA shall we? If he can become an All-star then we can compare the two.
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Old 11-16-2011, 10:45 PM   #53 (permalink)
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lol cant wait to see shaq on TNT lol....shaq and barkleys conversations are gonna be epic!!
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Ok let's not get carried away. Maybe wait to see how he does in the NBA shall we? If he can become an All-star then we can compare the two.
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Don't get me wrong. I loved watching Shaq and seeing him play live was something I will never forget. And from what I've read from the book excerpts, it looks really interesting. He does lose me with the petty shit, like this stuff about Bosh and making an issue of Howard calling himself Superman. He should stick to being the larger than life personality that he is. That's all.

That said, it was Wade that got him his last ring. Well, Wade and all those calls Wade got. Shaq did play a big part in getting that team to the Finals though. And he allowed Wade to grow his game in a hurry.
agreed LX.

to add, i think the larger than life, funny comments should be restricted to his own experiences and maybe guys he's played with. When you just sit there taking snide potshots at people i think that's getting petty myself. There's ways and ways of being "larger than life."
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agreed LX.

to add, i think the larger than life, funny comments should be restricted to his own experiences and maybe guys he's played with. When you just sit there taking snide potshots at people i think that's getting petty myself. There's ways and ways of being "larger than life."
As usual, I agree with you.

Everyone likes to rag on Bosh, I don't know how he's become such an easy target. He was great for Toronto, he's an elite scorer in his position and he's got a great attitude. Am I the only one who saw him for Toronto in his last year? No one seems to appreciate the massive difference his departure has made to the franchise. We were battling for a playoff spot when he was here, now he's gone we can't beat ANYONE.

The end of the playoffs was also really telling for me. Wade and Bron were upset because of their ego's. Bosh was breaking down because he was heartbroken that he didn't win it all. Big difference in motivation between those 3 if you ask me.

All the 2 and a half men nonsense is so lame. Who wouldn't team up in Miami with those 2? If you ask me it shows what a team player Bosh has been his entire career.

Shaq is attempting to bully him because he see's him as an easy target. It's pretty pathetic for someone who's almost in his 40's. I know 1 thing for sure - Bosh was a lot more relevant than fat Shaq in last years playoffs.
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As usual, I agree with you.

Everyone likes to rag on Bosh, I don't know how he's become such an easy target. He was great for Toronto, he's an elite scorer in his position and he's got a great attitude. Am I the only one who saw him for Toronto in his last year? No one seems to appreciate the massive difference his departure has made to the franchise. We were battling for a playoff spot when he was here, now he's gone we can't beat ANYONE.

The end of the playoffs was also really telling for me. Wade and Bron were upset because of their ego's. Bosh was breaking down because he was heartbroken that he didn't win it all. Big difference in motivation between those 3 if you ask me.

All the 2 and a half men nonsense is so lame. Who wouldn't team up in Miami with those 2? If you ask me it shows what a team player Bosh has been his entire career.

Shaq is attempting to bully him because he see's him as an easy target. It's pretty pathetic for someone who's almost in his 40's. I know 1 thing for sure - Bosh was a lot more relevant than fat Shaq in last years playoffs.
Is Shaq bullying Kobe? Lebron? He's not just picking on weak targets.... and he's absolutely right about the chest-pounding. Bosh and gang invited this hate by how they went about it.... pretending not to know, parading around, dancing/chest-pounding during games.... c'est la vie.

Kudos on Shaq for not turning into a censored tv personna that just loves everyone..... nobody wants to watch that shit. The league already does it enough for everyone else.
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Take Shaq off those teams and they don't win.

Take Bosh off the Heat and start any somewhat competent PF and they still make the Finals.
Spot on!
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Is Shaq bullying Kobe? Lebron? He's not just picking on weak targets....
Possibly, I haven't read the book. Bullying is bullying, doesn't matter who the victim is.

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Kudos on Shaq for not turning into a censored tv personna that just loves everyone..... nobody wants to watch that shit.
Yeh, slagging people off is such an art isn't it. Takes a lot of talent to point out other peoples short comings.... Personally I prefer justified adult debate on the merits of people's skill sets.


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and he's absolutely right about the chest-pounding. Bosh and gang invited this hate by how they went about it....
Even I can see Bosh was influenced by the other 2. You think he deserves to be 'hated' as a result? How old are you?
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Old 11-17-2011, 02:29 PM   #60 (permalink)
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Take Shaq off those teams and they don't win.

Take Bosh off the Heat and start any somewhat competent PF and they still make the Finals.

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Spot on!
There are so many variables during a season statements like this just cannot be taken seriously.
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