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Old 09-08-2009, 02:48 PM   #1 (permalink)
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ShamSports: Raps Fans are insufferable and overrate Bryan Colangelo

This guy is out to lunch. He goes on about BC being overrated by fans and then tops it off be saying BC had an good (not great) summer and then says we'll improve by as much as 15 wins.....if that's a great turnaround then WTF is going on?


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17th pick: Jermaine O'Neal (Portland) - Do you know what the most annoying thing in the world is? It's Toronto Raptors fans when talking about Bryan Colangelo. By miles. There is nothing more annoying in the world than this. Nothing. Not a sausage. Not even scrotal crabs or Ron Artest's Twitter account are more potently insufferable than listening to Raptors fans drool on about Colangelo as being some kind of flawless freak of genius, who transcends general managerial conventions to achieve an unparalleled plateau of superlativityness. They make me advocate chemical warfare. It's intolerable.

So let's use some perspective on that, shall we? Colangelo inherited a 27 win team with Chris Bosh, Jose Calderon, max cap room and the #1 overall pick. He didn't earn those things; he already had them when he got there. Three years later, the Raptors had Chris Bosh, Jose Calderon, their balls grazed against the tax threshold.....and all of 33 wins. That is not. Good. Sure, they won the Atlantic division title the year before, but there's a reason they went so far backwards, and that reason was Colangelo's dire 2008 offseason. He did nothing to improve the already-weak wing positions (Hassan Adams doesn't count); instead, he took every trade chip he had (T.J. Ford, their first rounder, the combined $11 million expiring of Rasho Nesterovic and Macy O'Baston) and used it to acquire Jermaine O'Neal, a man who had the second biggest contract in the NBA, who had declined for three straight years and who had played more than 51 games only once in the previous 4 seasons. Unsurprisingly, O'Neal got injured and arseholey, the Raptors imploded, and Colangelo had to use two more assets (Jamario Moon and another first round pick) and take one one more liability (Marcus Banks) just to get rid of him. That's how bad the initial deal was. Colangelo either didn't do his homework (which isn't likely, considering how easy it is to do; it took all of about 30 seconds to Google all that information, and it's not hard to see the size of that knee brace), or he didn't respect it enough (more likely). And that's why the deal was so bad. If you don't think there were 20 million better ways to use those assets, you're lying to yourself. And thus you're probably a Raptors fan.

Colangelo has had a good offseason this year. Not a great one (we'll come to that later), but a good one. They're a 45 to 48 win team again. Whoopee. Yet let's not forget quite how bad the one before was. Just shocking. Stop using Sam Mitchell as a scapegoat for Colangelo's bad moves. They BOTH sucked.

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Old 09-08-2009, 02:55 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Last season was a means to an end - namely the pick-ups this season. Same thing is happening on a ton of teams this season in order to position for next off-season. The big thing for me will be to see whether they can keep building from year to year now that they have what looks like a perennial playoff team in place.

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Old 09-08-2009, 02:59 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I tried to correct the title of this thread to -Raps Fans are insufferable and overrate Bryan Colangelo- but it won't work. Why is that?


-And can someone correct it please?
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Old 09-08-2009, 03:00 PM   #4 (permalink)
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We know Sham, he has never liked us.
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what douchebag wrote this?
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Old 09-08-2009, 03:08 PM   #6 (permalink)
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I agree with the writer's analysis of Colangelo during the 2008 off-season and the following season. Colangelo dropped the ball with the O'Neal trade and there is no doubt about it. It didn't work and he gave too much...And please no one try and tell me Colangelo planned to derail last year's team for the sake of this off-season. Last year's team stunk, Colangelo didn't see it coming and I'm he said as much at one point. This off-season was great. He got rid of Kapono, who was a totally brain fart on Colangelo's behalf. He got something for Marion, who he could have got the prior summer for no more than he paid for O"neal. He filled holes and looks as though he made another solid draft choice. He did good this summer but no one try and tell me last summer was good because it was pathetic. Not every negative a writer says is meant to be a kick in the balls to Raptors fans. The Raptors aren't perfect and there are many negative but true and fair things we could point out about them.
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Old 09-08-2009, 03:15 PM   #7 (permalink)
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I agree with the writer's analysis of Colangelo during the 2008 off-season and the following season. Colangelo dropped the ball with the O'Neal trade and there is no doubt about it. It didn't work and he gave too much...And please no one try and tell me Colangelo planned to derail last year's team for the sake of this off-season. Last year's team stunk, Colangelo didn't see it coming and I'm he said as much at one point. This off-season was great. He got rid of Kapono, who was a totally brain fart on Colangelo's behalf. He got something for Marion, who he could have got the prior summer for no more than he paid for O"neal. He filled holes and looks as though he made another solid draft choice. He did good this summer but no one try and tell me last summer was good because it was pathetic. Not every negative a writer says is meant to be a kick in the balls to Raptors fans. The Raptors aren't perfect and there are many negative but true and fair things we could point out about them.


Last summer was a fuck up for sure i said as much at the time. But the fact is he made a high risk-high reward deal that didn't pan out. But one thing i like about BC is that he saw early that it didn't work and made a deal to get Marion within 6 months which in turn setup this summer nicely once a few pieces fell into place. No GM is perfect but the best ones see their mistakes early and do what they need to, to fix them with whatever options are available and move forward.

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Last summer was a fuck up for sure i said as much at the time. But the fact is he made a high risk-high reward deal that didn't pan out. But one thing i like about BC is that he saw early that it didn't work and made a deal to get Marion within 6 months which in turn setup this summer nicely once a few pieces fell into place. No GM is perfect but the best ones see their mistakes early and do what they need to, to fix them with whatever options are available and move forward.
He needs to stop throwing away draft picks.
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Sham has always been a Raptor Hater.
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He needs to stop throwing away draft picks.
He hasn't thrown away any draft picks worth mentioning.
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Old 09-08-2009, 03:42 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Yea I remember another article this ass wrote, that was hatin' on us too. I don't give a crap about what he has to say. We'll just see who is right, us Raptors fans, or him
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why should we listen to a guy who spells maceo baston MACY O'BASTON!!!!!!!!!!!!rofl, read up a bit kid it's maceo baston the basketball player not MACY GRAY for fuck sakes.
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methinks you missed the joke b-rad.
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The O'Neal deal was hoped to be good enough to bring some positive results. If Jose had stayed healthy it might have worked out. Where he fucked up was with relying on so little depth. Ultimately though it was about the contract obviously, and the ability to get Marion or Hedo going forward. I cannot be convinced that he ever felt that JO was the guy he wanted here. Listen to Triano now and he says that they needed to make him look good so they could move him down the line, and that he was not seen as a part of the team going forward. But the contract made a big difference, and BC was able to see all the deficiencies of the team while working on ways to convert the contract to spending room.
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He hasn't thrown away any draft picks worth mentioning.
A 17th overall pick and a future #1 is not worth mentioning? Right...
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BC made a bunch of risky moves and the team's success was all contingent on some of those gambles actually working out. Unfortunately, not one of them panned out.

I'll say this, he's got balls.
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methinks you missed the joke b-rad.
me thinks i have no idea what you are talking about.


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Draft picks mean squat in getting a team to where it needs to be in terms of competing every year. If they need to be tossed aside in order to get to the position where the team is at now, then it's not a big deal. If he throws them away at this point, then that's another matter. But right now we have a team here that can spend on players from year to year, that can point to a number of assets that can become tradable down the line, that can tinker while adding those picks yet to come, and that is a huge difference from a team that just collects picks endlessly with no ability to see them gel alongside veteran experience and leadership.
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I actually agree with a lot of what was said in that article. I mean how many years are we going to hear the same excuse about this year being a build up for the future. I remember hearing that in 2006 when Bargnani was signed. The only reason we stopped hearing about it was because we overachieved in a pretty crappy division. The next season, we barely made it in the playoffs because truth be told our weakness as a team was beginning to be exposed. In no small part to Colangolo making no effort to improve the team that clearly needed changes at that point. I think he actually made it worse by getting rid of Mo Pete. And then with the acquistion of Jermaine O'Neal, all that was talked about was making it to the playoffs and possibly more. There was no talks about this being a "step in the right direction" regarding rebuilding. It wasn't until O'Neal proved to be a bust was when the excuses came back to the forefront.

Yes his moves were good this year. But we can no longer give him the benefit of the doubt by assuming that everything he's doing is for the future 2010 - 2011 season. That's just not acceptable anymore. The future is now, or the first signs of a plummeting franchise will take place with the departure of CB4.
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Who's assuming anything about 2010? It's pretty clear that BC made his moves now to solidify the team, rather than wait for 2010 like many other teams. Last year was the year that he had to piece together like an old hearse. You can't just make moves for the sake of making moves or it costs more than one unlucky season. He made a move for the sake of gaining more flexibility when he knew he was going to have guys on his radar. I'll take that over the guy that goes after the flavor of the month with no overall blueprint.
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