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Old 12-04-2012, 01:46 PM   #41 (permalink)
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As much as I like the energy, hustle, confidence Lowry brings, I agree with the majority here that he needs to improve his decision making. Once that's set (and I think it will happen) he'll be indispensable.
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Old 12-04-2012, 01:46 PM   #42 (permalink)
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He takes bad shots down the stretch. I laughed when Casey called that timeout with a minute left just before Lowry chucked it up. Casey was waiting for it...is he going to jack it...is he...is he...TIMEOUT!!! Just in the nick of time.
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Old 12-04-2012, 01:47 PM   #43 (permalink)
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Yeah,let's blame the new guy for the team's problems because the Raptors were doing so much better without him even though he's busting his tail on both ends of the court and doing other peoples jobs because they're not in shape or play with no sense of urgency.
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Old 12-04-2012, 01:49 PM   #44 (permalink)
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Yeah,let's blame the new guy for the team's problems because the Raptors were doing so much better without him even though he's busting his tail on both ends of the court and doing other peoples jobs because they're not in shape or play with no sense of urgency.
I don't see anything wrong with critically evaluating a new player, who I like by the way. Other players are also discussed in other threads.
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Old 12-04-2012, 01:56 PM   #45 (permalink)
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I don't see anything wrong with critically evaluating a new player, who I like by the way. Other players are also discussed in other threads.
You're entitled to your own opinion. My thing is this,if were gonna nitpick and judge after every game(especially for this unproven/underachieving team),we'll never be satisfied because performances change on a night to night business. After 3 games,generally speaking,members on this board were calling Lowry the best PG in franchise history. 15 games later people are singing a different tune. The funny thing is,he's been the most consistent player on a game to game basis thus far so what does that say for critquing other players on this roster? I don't know,for the way Lowry's been playing (mostly positive,even if he's had a couple bad games) its too early to dissect his game and fit for this team because he's the least of the Raptors problems.
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You're entitled to your own opinion. My thing is this,if were gonna nitpick and judge after every game(especially for this unproven/underachieving team),we'll never be satisfied because performances change on a night to night business. After 3 games,generally speaking,members on this board were calling Lowry the best PG in franchise history. 15 games later people are singing a different tune. The funny thing is,he's been the most consistent player on a game to game basis thus far so what does that say for critquing other players on this roster? I don't know,for the way Lowry's been playing (mostly positive,even if he's had a couple bad games) its too early to dissect his game and fit for this team because he's the least of the Raptors problems.
I think JV's actually been the most consistent. Jose has also been very consistent. Not saying much considering Aaron Gray has also been consistent compared to most on this team.
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These Lowry fanboys need to relax and let others provide constructive criticism to their loverboy!

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Old 12-04-2012, 02:04 PM   #48 (permalink)
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I think JV's actually been the most consistent. Jose has also been very consistent. Not saying much considering Aaron Gray has also been consistent compared to most on this team.
I think he was referring to him being the most consistent of players playing significant minutes
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I think he was referring to him being the most consistent of players playing significant minutes
JV doesn't play significant minutes? Also, Landry was consistently terrible!

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JV doesn't play significant minutes? Also, Landry was consistently terrible!

30 mpg or more
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You're entitled to your own opinion. My thing is this,if were gonna nitpick and judge after every game(especially for this unproven/underachieving team),we'll never be satisfied because performances change on a night to night business. After 3 games,generally speaking,members on this board were calling Lowry the best PG in franchise history. 15 games later people are singing a different tune. The funny thing is,he's been the most consistent player on a game to game basis thus far so what does that say for critquing other players on this roster? I don't know,for the way Lowry's been playing (mostly positive,even if he's had a couple bad games) its too early to dissect his game and fit for this team because he's the least of the Raptors problems.
Agreed but his blatantly obvious bad decision-making is causing all this. When people see extremely bad (and I mean it) shot selections from a PG, especially when there are open teammates around, they feel compelled to comment.

Also, it has nothing to do with how many games he played. If his shot didn't fall or he was physically unfit that's a different thing because that can improve in a few games, but decision-making is mental and it won't matter if he played 3 games or 10 games as it'll take more time to improve. I think that's why so many are critical. That is a mindset issue, it's not a one-time thing.

I think it wasn't as noticeable pre-injury because he made his poorly selected shots. Secondly, he might be forcing it even more now since he is trying to make a come back, resulting in more forced shots.

I really like the guy and I think he'll improve in that regard depending on how open he is to changing this bad habit and how well coaches are diagnosing and dealing with the issue.
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Old 12-04-2012, 02:18 PM   #52 (permalink)
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Agreed but his blatantly obvious bad decision-making is causing all this. When people see extremely bad (and I mean it) shot selections from a PG, especially when there are open teammates around, they feel compelled to comment.

Also, it has nothing to do with how many games he played. If his shot didn't fall or he was physically unfit that's a different thing because that can improve in a few games, but decision-making is mental and it won't matter if he played 3 games or 10 games as it'll take more time to improve. I think that's why so many are critical. That is a mindset issue, it's not a one-time thing.

I think it wasn't as noticeable pre-injury because he made his poorly selected shots. Secondly, he might be forcing it even more now since he is trying to make a come back, resulting in more forced shots.

I really like the guy and I think he'll improve in that regard depending on how open he is to changing this bad habit and how well coaches are diagnosing and dealing with the issue.
Yea,I see what you're saying Zap and respect your opinions. I've grown to like Lowry and think he can be a key piece towards future success for the Raptors. For the record,if there's a trade involving him which makes the team undoubtedly better,you obviously trade him but for now he's a keeper,besides he cost the Raptors a 1st round pick haha,let's remain positive about this experiment.
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Old 12-04-2012, 02:19 PM   #53 (permalink)
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He takes bad shots down the stretch. I laughed when Casey called that timeout with a minute left just before Lowry chucked it up. Casey was waiting for it...is he going to jack it...is he...is he...TIMEOUT!!! Just in the nick of time.
The funnier thing is, Bargnani chucked up more quick shots than Lowry did yesterday and not many will say anything because he shot 50%. There were two specific shots, in the first half he got the ball 25ft out and 17 seconds left on the clock and he jacked it up missing pretty badly. The second was with about 1:10 remaining we were down 4, Lowry was coming up to Center court and threw the ball up to Bargnani who was standing there at the 3pt line. He got it, didn't hesitate and jacked up a quick shot before we got a chance to setup and bricked it. If you look at Derozan, Bargnani, Derozan you see tham all at times take quick shots and try to do too much.


Also, what was Lowry's reputation when we got him?

He was known as being aggressive, tough as nails, at times takes questionable shots, is a decent playmaker, can shoot the 3pt, gets to the line, good defender, gambles sometimes too much and is one of the best rebounding PG's in the NBA. This was what we knew and what we had all see when watching him. All these things were great to everyone in pre-season and early in the season before he got hurt, why........he was hitting shots. Does anyone think he wasn't taking some questionable shots before he got hurt and was averaging 23/8/7? He's taking a lot less quetionable shots since coming back and taking a lot less shots overall by quite a bit since coming back from his injury. Gotta say that when loking at this starting lineup, he's the least of our problems imo. Bargnani is no more consistent with his shot selection at times, Derozan spinning fadeaways are getting tired and neither can defend. Then you have a black hole at SF (hopefully Pietrus can contribute) and Valanciunas, a 20yr old rookie at Center who is actually thriving imo.

Look at every single player on this team and they all have their warts. Some more than others. IMO Lowry brings a more all around game than anyone on this team and it isn't even that close. Rebounding, Assists, shooting, toughness, gets to the line and when healthy he's easily a top 5-10 defender at his position.

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Old 12-04-2012, 02:33 PM   #54 (permalink)
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Lowry is our best player, and yes, judging from his lacklustre defence as of late he probably still is injured. But he's not without his flaws, and certainly isn't off limits in terms of criticism. He adopts too much of a one on one - and hero - mentality at times, and lacks vision. But this team has missed that alpha dog, and desperately a hero, so it works out. In other words, strangely, his flaws are just what the doctor ordered imo.
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This team needs a legit scoring threat and allow a guy like Lowry to thrive in the number 2/3 role. He's being asked to do way too much and because of that, he's looking terrible and others are looking terrible.

Please, please, please brings some role definition to this team.
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Lowry is our best player, and yes, judging from his lacklustre defence as of late he probably still is injured. But he's not without his flaws, and certainly isn't off limits in terms of criticism. He adopts too much of a one on one - and hero - mentality at times, and lacks vision. But this team has missed that alpha dog, and desperately a hero, so it works out. In other words, strangely, his flaws are just what the doctor ordered imo.
I agree completely. Also, this type of offense just isn't working at all. I don't get what Casey is really trying to do here.
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Old 12-04-2012, 02:41 PM   #57 (permalink)
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If he plays hard, plays hurt, sacrifices his body to get to the line and rebounds, I don't mind if Lowry has a green light on several occasions on offense. If you don't play defense, play with no effort, always late on defensive rotations and not willing to rebound, and still want to chuck up shots on the offensive end, then it is a problem. Hi Bargnani!!
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Yea,I see what you're saying Zap and respect your opinions. I've grown to like Lowry and think he can be a key piece towards future success for the Raptors. For the record,if there's a trade involving him which makes the team undoubtedly better,you obviously trade him but for now he's a keeper,besides he cost the Raptors a 1st round pick haha,let's remain positive about this experiment.
Yes absolutely, he's a keeper, agreed.

Also, I'm not so sure if they should play him now before he's properly healed.
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I think too much of the offense is designed around taking early shots, or rushed shots. There's not much sense of making the extra pass or working in a cohesive fashion, and that's on Casey, although I think he might have put a lot on Lowry's shoulders in terms of accelerating the development of the offense. There's no way he does it without another well-disciplined vet that knows how to make the extra pass or create the right mismatch.

I do like the chemistry that has already developed between him and Demar. Now if another player can click with those two within a random offense they can get somewhere and they will all look better for it. It might take a trade or simply the better part of the season to get there. Even Lowry and Demar are far far from being on the same page as of yet. In the meantime I don't fault Lowry all that much for taking shots that Casey has said he is looking for. Bit by bit they are looking more like a team, and the mish mash of roles is starting to slowly sort itself out. If Kyle's foot heals up, and I think he looked like there was some progress with that last night, then he's going to look even better as everything around him falls into place a little more.

If we see all the same shit a month from now, even with the injury, then I'll be pretty disappointed, but not necessarily with Lowry.
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Lowry is our best player, and yes, judging from his lacklustre defence as of late he probably still is injured. But he's not without his flaws, and certainly isn't off limits in terms of criticism. He adopts too much of a one on one - and hero - mentality at times, and lacks vision. But this team has missed that alpha dog, and desperately a hero, so it works out. In other words, strangely, his flaws are just what the doctor ordered imo.
Absolutely...The game against Nuggets turned when Lowry put the pedal down...grabbing rebounds and challenging the rim...he was great last night and could have used more help
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