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Old 12-01-2009, 12:26 AM   #1 (permalink)
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And then there’s the Raptors, who basically have had the same starting lineup all season without any injuries and are starting to get blown out on a regular basis.

They’ve lost seven of nine and the last three by an average of more than 22 per game. They give up more than 109 points per game, second most in the league to Golden State and have yielded at least 100 the last nine games. Their defense is atrocious, 24th in opponents’ shooting, last in steals.

It’s also a franchise that, historically, has had little patience with coaches as Sam Mitchell last season went 17 games into the season, three of the franchise’s six coaches didn’t last two seasons and a fourth, Butch Carter, got just over two seasons and was fired after the team’s first ever playoff appearance and then best record ever. Of course, those were previous administrations.

Though there was some “ah ha” when former Grizzlies coach Marc Iavaroni, a defensive specialist, was hired by his former boss in Phoenix, Bryan Colangelo, to be a Raptors assistant for coach Jay Triano. But this is Triano’s first full season, so you figure they’d give him a chance.

The larger question for the Raptors is Chris Bosh, and whether it’s time to try to make a major deal. The Raptors’ comment always has been if Bosh, one of the major free agents this summer, chooses to leave, he’s best off with a Raptors sign and trade to make a probable maximum contract. That’s likely true, though you also wonder if Toronto would look into a deal at some point to remake their team.

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"We do fool around a lot. And it tends to carry over into the game, and that's something that needs to change,” said someone named Sonny Weems, who rarely even plays.

“We just got punked,” Wright said after the Boston debacle. “We’ve got guys standing over our best player, flexing, and it’s not something we can stand for. I was pretty frustrated sitting on the bench watching their whole team run out there on the floor and we only had our coaches up shouting and screaming at their players.”

“Yeah, I’d like to see the team more passionate,” said the usually laconic Bosh. “I’m tired of talking about toughness. We talk about it too much. We talk about everything too much. We’ve got to stop talking about it and just do it.”
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Old 12-01-2009, 12:44 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Either Triano knows something we don't , is really hard headed , or is a bad coach ....
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Old 12-01-2009, 12:50 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Either Triano knows something we don't , is really hard headed , or is a bad coach ....
I would say the bad coach option.
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Old 12-01-2009, 12:55 AM   #4 (permalink)
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well if you're hard headed/stubborn then that will equate to being a bad coach
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Old 12-01-2009, 01:11 AM   #5 (permalink)
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well if you're hard headed/stubborn then that will equate to being a bad coach
Not if you're right.
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Old 12-01-2009, 01:15 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Not if you're right.
Yeah, he seems to be right?
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Old 12-01-2009, 01:28 AM   #7 (permalink)
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Yeah, he seems to be right?
Hahaha I didn't think about my statement in that context... I don't know anymore, as long as someone is right about something I guess it's all good.
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Old 12-01-2009, 04:07 AM   #8 (permalink)
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we should trade Bosh now, we can't win with him as a franchise player, running our offense through is not workin

how many years did we spend building around this guy enough is enough, we need to built will more depth and talent, I would rather have two ten million dollar players that can play some d and have turk and Bargnani workign our offense
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Old 12-01-2009, 07:48 AM   #9 (permalink)
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we should trade Bosh now, we can't win with him as a franchise player, running our offense through is not workin

how many years did we spend building around this guy enough is enough, we need to built will more depth and talent, I would rather have two ten million dollar players that can play some d and have turk and Bargnani workign our offense

Well i kind of agree, but i highly doubt Bosh is traded before the summer unless some kind of a deal/contract can be worked out before hand. BC isn't going to panic and trade Bosh yet.
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Old 12-01-2009, 02:37 PM   #10 (permalink)
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sam mitchell coached the Raptors for almost 5 years - that's patience
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Old 12-01-2009, 02:40 PM   #11 (permalink)
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we should trade Bosh now, we can't win with him as a franchise player, running our offense through is not workin

how many years did we spend building around this guy enough is enough, we need to built will more depth and talent, I would rather have two ten million dollar players that can play some d and have turk and Bargnani workign our offense
You say this now until you see Hedo and Bargs have to deal with double and triple teams.

They've excelled to this point because of the space that Bosh creates for them. Bargs in particular will be in for a rude awakening if/when that happens.
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sam mitchell coached the Raptors for almost 5 years - that's patience
The thing is Sam won 47 games his first season with a decent roster under Colangelo and took us to the playoffs the first two seasons.If that doesn't happen he'd have been fired. The fisrt sign of trouble under BC and Sam was gone.........too early imo.
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The thing is Sam won 47 games his first season with a decent roster under Colangelo and took us to the playoff the first two seasons.If that doesn't happen he'd have been fired. The fisrt sign of trouble under BC and Sam was gone.........too early imo.
The first sign of trouble? So the entire season before that when they went 41 and 41 and he didn't handle the Ford/Claperon situation very well among other things didnt' produce any signs of trouble? I like Sam and didn't want to see him fired, but even I admit he was given a fair shake.
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The first sign of trouble? So the entire season before that when they went 41 and 41 and he didn't handle the Ford/Claperon situation very well among other things didnt' produce any signs of trouble? I like Sam and didn't want to see him fired, but even I admit he was given a fair shake.
Who said he wasn't given a fair shake. All i'm saying is he was a .500 coach and went to playoffs with less talent then we currently have. As for the Jose/T.J thing..............Ford missed 55 games and came back and was off the bench, which i agreed with. I have no issues with how he handled that situation.
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The first sign of trouble? So the entire season before that when they went 41 and 41 and he didn't handle the Ford/Claperon situation very well among other things didnt' produce any signs of trouble? I like Sam and didn't want to see him fired, but even I admit he was given a fair shake.
He also couldn't develop BC's favorite player into a respectable NBA quality athlete, or any of our other young talent for that matter.
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He also couldn't develop BC's favorite player into a respectable NBA quality athlete, or any of our other young talent for that matter.
that was the kicker
if Bargs developed well under Smitch he would be coaching today
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that was the kicker
if Bargs developed well under Smitch he would be coaching today
He did fine with Bosh and as for Bargnani, we see what he's about right now. He's as inconsistent as the weather. By that logic Triano should be gone soon since Bargnani looks like he did in th 07-08 season.
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