Sam Mitchell

LX · 08-18-2008, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by t-bag

Well I certainly never said anything ridiculous like that. I'm also open to the idea that maybe with the addition of JO and move to one PG that this might be a more Sam-friendly team. I just didn't like some things I saw last season, i.e. Calderon coming to Sam because he couldn't make the move to start one of the PG himself, Bosh publicly criticizing Sam's tactics in the playoffs etc. I just don't see that type of stuff happening with Phil Jackson (not that he hasn't been out-coached either).

Nice post!

Thankyou. I take it back - I can take this kind of post seriously.

There was plenty I didn't like last season as well. I hated the pace of games while Jose was starting, and thought Sam micromanaged too many of those games. I thought the rotation needed to be shortened. And I thought they should have been able to put a winning streak together at some point.

But I also look at stuff that happened, stuff way beyond the Jose-TJ thing, and I think it was pretty incredible that the ship just didn't sink altogether. For one thing, I think Bosh went off the rails a bit with his own frustration, without looking at himself first, and he came up a little short in terms of leadership (which is not surprising all things considered). And the team spent most of the year trying to overcome one bit of bad luck or another, and just were not able to gain any sort of consistent identity. They all knew what was missing, and there wasn't anything to be done about it, but Colangelo and Sam took care of things pretty quickly, and pretty well when the season was done. I think the change in the team will be very big, particularly from a coaching standpoint. There are real options and some real opportunities to make use of the overall versatility in the lineup.

In retrospect they should have maybe seen the shortcomings of this team sooner. I suspect Sam definitely saw the shortcomings defensively. In the balance, I think things could have gone much worse all the way around, and everything worked out for the best, one mediocre season aside.

t-bag · 08-18-2008, 06:55 PM

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Did Bosh throw Mitchell under the tricked-out Escalade? It kind of sounded that way. There was the Raptors all-star and captain blaming at least part of the Raptors troubles on the relatively last-minute changes they made in preparation for the series. He didn't say starting Bargnani, but I guess he could have. But he did talk about new sets and new plays and new wrinkles of plays that were added and suggested that Jose and T.J. were a bit flummoxed by the new stuff.

Bosh: “We anticipated them try trying to [figure out] every play we had without running them. At the start of the game they hit threes, but we could have given ourselves a better chance on offence by running the plays we always run, the things that we're giving us success throughout the whole season. If we get back to doing our own offence and doing what got us here, we'll be pretty good. We have good match-ups against them."

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080421.WBwbbasketball20080421075641/WBStory/WBwbbasketball/?page=rss&id=RTGAM.20080421.WBwbbasketball20080421 075641&loc=interstitialskip

Edit: Sorry about the width of that link.

LX · 08-18-2008, 07:06 PM

That quote is exactly where the next season will find it's greatest turnaround. Instead of Bosh lamenting playing offense as they always had as a means of doing what got them to their poor playoff seeding (ie - trying to makeup for defensive deficiencies by scoring more), he is going to look at playing defense as the means of winning games - period - and getting much farther as a result.

t-bag · 08-18-2008, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by •LX•

That quote is exactly where the next season will find it's greatest turnaround. Instead of Bosh lamenting playing offense as they always had as a means of doing what got them to their poor playoff seeding (ie - trying to makeup for defensive deficiencies by scoring more), he is going to look at playing defense as the means of winning games - period - and getting much farther as a result.

I definitely hope that's the case. Although I don't think Mitchell did a great job on defense I'd have to say the fault in that case falls heavily with the players. Hopefully JO will change the team's entire outlook on D. I don't agree with Bosh coming out publicly and criticizing the coach during the playoffs either. He needs to step up and take responsibility for losses if he is truly "the Franchise."

Apollo · 08-18-2008, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by gurkang

When did Bosh criticize Sam's tactics in the playoffs? I don't remeber that but I do know that the were bad

Sam was a total disappointment in the playoffs. Van Gundy made Sam his bitch.

Ugo Ferst · 08-18-2008, 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Apollo

Sam was a total disappointment in the playoffs. Van Gundy made Sam his bitch.

IT obviously had nothing to do with the fact that we had no answer for Howard, our supposed biggest advantage in the PG situation wasnt really an advantage at all, as their PGs outplayed ours in most games, Bargs didnt show up at all, and Kapono was our only really hot player all series. It was all on Sam.

**Ball Don't Lie** · 08-19-2008, 12:28 AM

It was on Sam because he started Bargnani for the first time all season at SF in the first fucking game of the playoffs, and when it didnt work he tried it again. The one time we actually beat ORL in the reg season Moon started and had a great game. If this was a huge market like CHI or LAL he would have been fired right after the series for experimenting for absolutely no reason at all when we already had a set lineup in place. If youre going to do that at least try it out 5-10 games during the regular season.

Sam has sucked since year one. Hes still as thickheaded and clueless especially in regards to rotation, in game adjustments, and defence right now as he was in his rookie year. I cant wait until he gets canned.

**Dino Blogger** · 08-19-2008, 05:55 AM

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Superjudge · 08-19-2008, 09:59 AM

I love the complete lack of reality some people live in.

It's amazing.

**Dino Blogger** · 08-19-2008, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Superjudge

I love the complete lack of reality some people live in.

It's amazing.

I love people that make general comments that don't say what the hell they are making reference too

**Benzo** · 08-19-2008, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Dino Blogger

I love people that make general comments that don't say what the hell they are making reference too

SJ loves Sam, cause SJ is an idiot.

Superjudge · 08-19-2008, 04:04 PM

Yep.

I sure am.

Always right however,

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08-18-2008, 07:06 PM	#43 (permalink)
LX a fungus of confabulations In the Paint Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Toronto Posts: 29,153 Representing:	That quote is exactly where the next season will find it's greatest turnaround. Instead of Bosh lamenting playing offense as they always had as a means of doing what got them to their poor playoff seeding (ie - trying to makeup for defensive deficiencies by scoring more), he is going to look at playing defense as the means of winning games - period - and getting much farther as a result.

08-19-2008, 12:28 AM	#47 (permalink)
Ball Don't Lie We going to the 'ship! Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 11,402 Representing:	It was on Sam because he started Bargnani for the first time all season at SF in the first fucking game of the playoffs, and when it didnt work he tried it again. The one time we actually beat ORL in the reg season Moon started and had a great game. If this was a huge market like CHI or LAL he would have been fired right after the series for experimenting for absolutely no reason at all when we already had a set lineup in place. If youre going to do that at least try it out 5-10 games during the regular season. Sam has sucked since year one. Hes still as thickheaded and clueless especially in regards to rotation, in game adjustments, and defence right now as he was in his rookie year. I cant wait until he gets canned.

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