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View Poll Results: Should the Raptors keep Sam Mitchell?
Yes, he is the man. 10 29.41%
Only if we advance past the first round in 08-09. 15 44.12%
I don't care (it doesn't matter). 0 0%
He should have been fired long ago. 9 26.47%
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Old 08-17-2008, 05:54 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Haha give the minority kid a break
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Old 08-17-2008, 05:59 PM   #22 (permalink)
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With Sam or without him, I don't think Raptors would do much better than they did in the last two years. I guess the incoming season is the real challenge for Sam, with JO in Raptors uniform the expectations are bigger. Sam is known as a coach good for young teams, Raptors has two (some thinks three if they count Jose) allstar caliber players, let's see how Sam adapts for this situation. He should take Raptors past first playoff round or he should be gone!
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Old 08-17-2008, 06:59 PM   #23 (permalink)
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The only reason Bryan didn't fire him is to see if Sam can do better with JO in the line up
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Old 08-17-2008, 07:35 PM   #24 (permalink)
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I personally never liked mitchel, the fact that BC but togerther a good team in 07-08 was the only reason SM got coach of the year.

Really Sam is the main reason Bosh steped up as our leader that season, we started 2-7 (I think I try to block those memories out) and he pushed Bosh to step up. I sort of like sam, but i'd like a more defensive coach like uhhh, JEFF VAN GUNDY! I love that guy.
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Old 08-17-2008, 07:41 PM   #25 (permalink)
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...but i'd like a more defensive coach like uhhh, JEFF VAN GUNDY! I love that guy.
That would be interesting. Van Gundy's only problem is that he doesn't manage egos well, but the Raps are all pretty low-maintenance guys.
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Old 08-17-2008, 11:12 PM   #26 (permalink)
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The only reason Bryan didn't fire him is to see if Sam can do better with JO in the line up
If Colangelo was going to fire Sam it would have happened shortly after the playoffs, not after draft night. Sam wasn't fired because he is still owed far to much money.
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Old 08-18-2008, 09:46 AM   #27 (permalink)
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IMO The main difference between the 06/07 Raptors and the last season Raptors have been that we weren't anymore underdogs for the other teams, so once they knew what our players could do they did know what to do to stop us. The only time I have seen Sam doing something like that was at the last playoffs.
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Old 08-18-2008, 10:24 AM   #28 (permalink)
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IMO The main difference between the 06/07 Raptors and the last season Raptors have been that we weren't anymore underdogs for the other teams, so once they knew what our players could do they did know what to do to stop us. The only time I have seen Sam doing something like that was at the last playoffs.
This and the fact that the exact same play was run all year.

Now with TJ gone Smitch has lost offensive play #2 of 2.
Give ball to TJ and send everyone else outside of 3 point line so unless he gets somemore plays integrated into his system this year will be worse.
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Old 08-18-2008, 10:43 AM   #29 (permalink)
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But if the Raps make the second round of the playoffs then I don't think he will be fired even though everyone wants him to be
I don't want him fired.
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Old 08-18-2008, 11:12 AM   #30 (permalink)
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If you don't want him fired you are merely invisible, just like the numerous plays that the team runs without the haters being able to notice.

Hyperbole rules the day for the Fire Smitch clubhouse gang.

I saw some stuff on the net that was truly insane a few weeks ago. Stuff about how BC purposely fucked up the team by getting JO who will not be able to play due to injury, and then BC will be free to fire his coach. It wasn't just one guy putting these sentiments out there. I heard a bunch of the same type of thing on the radio when the season ended. As long as there are such blinders among the Sam non-faithful, I just can't take any of them seriously.
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Old 08-18-2008, 11:30 AM   #31 (permalink)
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This and the fact that the exact same play was run all year.

Now with TJ gone Smitch has lost offensive play #2 of 2.
Give ball to TJ and send everyone else outside of 3 point line so unless he gets somemore plays integrated into his system this year will be worse.
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LX: my opinion is that this year Sam has what he wanted: other all-star, you know, those guys who can go one on one and don't need many drawn plays because their skills.

If this year this team don't do better than the last season, then Sam won't have any excuse (IMO he has wasted his credit, but whatever, let's give him other chance). Hell, even BC has brought a guy with X's and O's, the guy who is going to teach our rookies (btw, wasn't that Sam's best quality?).

Now Sam already has all the tools and no excuses. I really hope to be wrong though.
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As long as there are such blinders among the Sam non-faithful, I just can't take any of them seriously.
Generalizing freely, are we? Forming an opinion about a group of people based on a behaviour of the few?
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Old 08-18-2008, 01:09 PM   #33 (permalink)
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results will speak - especially in the playoffs. If we don't perform well (assuming we have all players healthy for it), Sam is gone. There are no more excuses.
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Generalizing freely, are we? Forming an opinion about a group of people based on a behaviour of the few?
Few? Did you not see that I was responding to the idea that NOBODY likes Sam? That would make it a very big group. Like EVERYBODY.

And exactly what opinion did I form? I simply said that I can't take other opinions seriously when exaggeration rules the day.

I should say that it's nice to see that the actual majority wants him to stay, and isn't buying into nonsensical theories of what BC has done and will do.
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LX, you didn't get my point, but that's OK. I love Van Gogh too.
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If the raps get past the second round,Sam stays. If they don't then Sam goes
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Bryan Colangelo could have replaced Sam Mitchell this off-season if he wanted too. Fact is he did not so that speaks to the fact Sam Mitchell has the support of Management. It is key that Colangelo and Mitchell can work together in buliding this team. It seemed pretty clear to me that Sam Mitchell was part of the conversation in bringing Jermaine O'Neal here. Sam will ultimately judged by how he does this season with 2 All Star level talents. I like Sam and think he will do fine. Why people always are looking to run him out of town is something I have never got. He gets his player to play hard and has when given talent been able to make the playoffs 2 straight years. That is pretty good to me. Sure advancing in the playoffs is going to be important but so far I think he has done fine. The changes he will make to the offense and defense this year will be interesting and should speak to how good or not good he is as a coach moving forward.
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Yeah Dino - that really is the most important thing to me - the relationship between coach and GM. If Colangelo finds that he cannot work with Sam to achieve good results, then I'm all for a change. There was a good reason they both won awards at the end of the previous season. Their work goes hand in hand. Without that this team would be not so much further ahead than when Babcock was around.
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If you don't want him fired you are merely invisible, just like the numerous plays that the team runs without the haters being able to notice.

Hyperbole rules the day for the Fire Smitch clubhouse gang.

I saw some stuff on the net that was truly insane a few weeks ago. Stuff about how BC purposely fucked up the team by getting JO who will not be able to play due to injury, and then BC will be free to fire his coach. It wasn't just one guy putting these sentiments out there. I heard a bunch of the same type of thing on the radio when the season ended. As long as there are such blinders among the Sam non-faithful, I just can't take any of them seriously.
Well I certainly never said anything ridiculous like that. I'm also open to the idea that maybe with the addition of JO and move to one PG that this might be a more Sam-friendly team. I just didn't like some things I saw last season, i.e. Calderon coming to Sam because he couldn't make the move to start one of the PG himself, Bosh publicly criticizing Sam's tactics in the playoffs etc. I just don't see that type of stuff happening with Phil Jackson (not that he hasn't been out-coached either).
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When did Bosh criticize Sam's tactics in the playoffs? I don't remeber that but I do know that the were bad
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