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Dr. J. Naismith 02-09-2008 09:51 AM

Sam can do without wicked West
 
Sam on his thoughts regarding the even stronger Western Conference. :(

Anyhow, what my question is ... does anyone from the East outside of Boston & Detroit stand a chance come play-off time against any of the Western powerhouses? :confused:

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Originally Posted by Dave Feschuck
Sam Mitchell, slumped in a chair and groaning in mock pain yesterday, was lamenting his lot. The flu, if that's what had been gripping him for most of a week, had now moved on from clogging his nose and pinching his throat to ravaging his back, which was suddenly aching.

Still, he nodded in agreement when he was reminded that it could be worse that he could be wishing he could call in sick on the hard side of the NBA's incredible continental divide.

"Phoenix is tough ... the Lakers now are nine deep ... and not even talking about how good New Orleans have been this year, or how good Dallas has been. Those four teams right there I look at the West and I'm like ..."

He didn't finish the sentence. But what he meant to say was he's, like, happy he's coaching in the East

"Yes sir," Mitchell said. "Yes, I am ..."

The East, indeed, is a veritable land of opportunity for fledgling hoop clubs. As of yesterday, a sub-.500 record was good enough to get you the seventh and eighth playoff spot.

:haha:

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Originally Posted by Dave Feschuck
Mitchell continued taking an inventory of the crueller conference, realizing he'd left the San Antonio Spurs out of his top four.

"Excuse me. I need my mouth to be washed out with soap not talking about the defending world champions," he said. "That's what I'm saying ... I can't remember when it was five or six teams in one conference that were just loaded. Man, that's scary."

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moremilk 02-09-2008 10:30 AM

We stand a chance - we can be competitive against NO, Houston, Utah, Dallas or Portland. We would get killed by Phoenix, LA or GS though. In the end, records are not that relevant - match-ups are more important, and staying out of injuries at the right time. Cleveland can beat almost anybody in the league as well when they're healthy. Even the Wizards match up well with many of these top teams in the West.

Benzo 02-09-2008 10:39 AM

How much fun would a Celts vs Suns...Championship be???

on the flip side....Pistons vs anyone...:puke:

pimpery 02-09-2008 07:46 PM

I really think Pistons are the only team in the East that could be very strong in the West... now i know Boston has a great record vs the West but i really feel they arent deep enough and will gas out late season and especially in the playoffs, in fact out of the 2 teams i much rather play Boston as i think we are a deeper team off the bench, im not sure we could take them, but Detriot for my $ is the deepest team in basketball and Dumars is the best GM.

Ball Don't Lie 02-10-2008 03:33 AM

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I really think Pistons are the only team in the East that could be very strong in the West... now i know Boston has a great record vs the West but i really feel they arent deep enough and will gas out late season and especially in the playoffs,
How many Celtic games have you watched this year? If anything it's the complete opposite. Their bench is becoming stronger and stronger as the season has worn on. Posey has continued to be one of the best 6th men in the league, Eddie House's shooting has helped them win a few games, Tony Allen has really come on strong lately and his athleticism has looked like its near what it was pre injury, and Leon Powe has been absolutely beasting off the bench since given the opportunity(not to mention big baby who has also played very well when given the opportunity). Celtics bench> Pistons bench this year.

That opinion seems to be only used by people that really hate the Celtics or just dont watch the games and dont have a clue. All of their big 3 are playing under their career mpg avgs(Allens being the closest, it may be a % over but still, the point remains) and they're still playing the fantastic defence KG installed since day 1 even without him. How are they gonna burn out if none of them have to carry the team on their own(all of their shots per game are under 15) and all of them are playing less minutes than usual?

And I think we can hang with GSW. We shoulda beat them earlier in the year but we shot like 4/20 in the 4th.

Vs PHX would be the worst though. Bosh and Bargnani probably would be kept under 30mpg due to foul trouble. Watching Bosh having to guard Amare all game would hurt the eyes too.

pimpery 02-10-2008 04:15 AM

1st off, you just named a bunch of players with how many rings? Oh yea... how many clutch shots, playoff wins?? Oh yea... Detriot doesnt have the experience or the proven buckle down playoff D... Clueless is ppl crowning Boston half way thru the year, i guarantee they will gas.

Granted your right, i do hate the Celtics for along time, but Detriot will simply outwork them and have the playoff know how and big shot makers to beat any1... Not to mention, you can say Big 3 this and that, but I'd take Rip over Allen, Billips (come on this is Mr. Big Shot himself) over Pierce and Rasheed (when motivated) does as many things as KG himself... now lets get to the benches, every1 coming off Detroits bench is pretty much 6"5+ and many of them wide bodies which suites their style and definately suites the playoffs, these young guys Stuckey and Maxiell are revelations, i mean these kids got big futures, Murray is a serviceable guard, Amir Johnson is only gonna get better and he is another tall wide body who is willing to D and board up, Affalo is just a product of being on such a deep team, but believe me that kid has some game and is very decent, but only gets 10 min a game, you throw in the super experienced hunter who still has some gas left in the tank aswell as a couple of unknown 7footers from oversea's (i dont really think much of them but they are 7footers lol), i really think Detriot has the deeper bench in a big way, and overtime it will be shown and their style of D is ingrained in them. But it wont take long to see which one of us is right :)


Oh and not to rain on ppls parade, but in the west we arent even a playoff team :(

Ball Don't Lie 02-10-2008 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by pimpery (Post 9457)
1st off, you just named a bunch of players with how many rings? Oh yea... how many clutch shots, playoff wins?? Oh yea... Detriot doesnt have the experience or the proven buckle down playoff D... Clueless is ppl crowning Boston half way thru the year, i guarantee they will gas.

Boston returned the favor in Detroit. I wouldnt exactly call a 2 point win crowning either, Boston had a chance to win it a possession before the Allen foul.

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Granted your right, i do hate the Celtics for along time, but Detriot will simply outwork them and have the playoff know how and big shot makers to beat any1... Not to mention, you can say Big 3 this and that, but I'd take Rip over Allen, Billips (come on this is Mr. Big Shot himself) over Pierce and Rasheed (when motivated) does as many things as KG himself
I dont know why I should even bother responding to you saying youd take Sheed over KG. If KG was on the Pistons the Pistons would have been a dynasty. You're acting like KG's a cancer, his impact and greatness has been shown coming to a new team with new players and leading them to the best record in the NBA and the NBA's best D. Rasheed couldnt come close to that. KG shouldnt be penalized for Mchales idiocy. And Pierce or Allen>>Rip. Rip is the overrated one. Nice player on a great team but he isnt a bigtime player like Allen, Pierce, or Billups. He doesnt take a lot of shots in the 4th qtrs and they dont go to him much for a reason.

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now lets get to the benches, every1 coming off Detroits bench is pretty much 6"5+ and many of them wide bodies which suites their style and definately suites the playoffs, these young guys Stuckey and Maxiell are revelations, i mean these kids got big futures, Murray is a serviceable guard, Amir Johnson is only gonna get better and he is another tall wide body who is willing to D and board up, Affalo is just a product of being on such a deep team, but believe me that kid has some game and is very decent, but only gets 10 min a game, you throw in the super experienced hunter who still has some gas left in the tank aswell as a couple of unknown 7footers from oversea's (i dont really think much of them but they are 7footers lol), i really think Detriot has the deeper bench in a big way, and overtime it will be shown and their style of D is ingrained in them. But it wont take long to see which one of us is right :)
Detroits bench has been garbage most of the year(especially the last 2 months). Their own fans would tell you that. You cant count on Hayes and their 2 rookies come playoff time, and dont even mention Amir Johnson, he isnt gonna play 1 meaningful minute in the playoffs. The only guys you can count on of those guys are Hunter and Maxiell, and thats if Hunter is even healthy. Compare that to Boston, you know what you're getting out of Posey(better than any of Detroits guys), House can be a gamechanger(cant say that about any of the Detroit guys outside of Maxiell), one if not both of Davis and Powe have been big off the bench since becoming part of the rotation, and Tony Allen's D is probably top 10 if not 5 at the swingman position in the NBA(not to mention in the last 10-15 games hes avgd near double figures). Detroit needs to make a move for a scorer off their bench IMO, theyve lacked that for a long time.

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Oh and not to rain on ppls parade, but in the west we arent even a playoff team :(
Yeah, we'd probably be where Sactown is right now. The NBA should really look into making it top 16 teams instead of conference, what bad can come from it?

pimpery 02-10-2008 10:21 PM

Ill guess we will settle this come playoff time, hopefully they will meet (it seems inevitable but so did colts vs pats).

As for Rasheed, the problem is he is obviously a hothead and doesnt always seem completely motivated, but when he is, plz name a player that can play inside, beyond the arc, rebound, D up, jump shoot, post up, beat you off the dribble and flat out intimidate like he can?? If there is a list, its extremely short.

Belsius 02-10-2008 10:29 PM

I think detroit at their best is the best team in the NBA. But the problem is a lot of times they play without interest. Boston motivation is going to be the reason they reach the finals and probably win the ring.

Ball Don't Lie 02-10-2008 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by pimpery (Post 9606)
Ill guess we will settle this come playoff time, hopefully they will meet (it seems inevitable but so did colts vs pats).

As for Rasheed, the problem is he is obviously a hothead and doesnt always seem completely motivated, but when he is, plz name a player that can play inside, beyond the arc, rebound, D up, jump shoot, post up, beat you off the dribble and flat out intimidate like he can?? If there is a list, its extremely short.

Problem is he only has those 20+10 games once every like 20 games even though hes more talented than a Duncan with the things he can do. Hes fantastic defensively but cant move and help like KG can especially on the pick and rolls, KG's the best on the biz in that.

And remember, as long as DET doesnt catch BOS, DET has to get through CLE first, and they didnt do so well with that last time.

pimpery 02-11-2008 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by thriller92 (Post 9623)
Problem is he only has those 20+10 games once every like 20 games even though hes more talented than a Duncan with the things he can do. Hes fantastic defensively but cant move and help like KG can especially on the pick and rolls, KG's the best on the biz in that.

And remember, as long as DET doesnt catch BOS, DET has to get through CLE first, and they didnt do so well with that last time.

I said above, he isnt always motivated, but when he is... and no1 has named 1 player (including KG) that can do all the things at as high a level as Rasheed can do when he really wants to.

I agree with Bel that Detriot is the best team in the league bar none, and i think they are gonna turn it up a notch in the playoffs this year (something you cant guarantee in Boston, basically 0 proven playoff players) and if they want it like i think they do, they will make the finals and i would make them the fav if they do. See for these guys in Boston, most of them arent used to the pressure of being the best team or the favorites (KG has been, and look how well it has worked out for him...), and i think are putting alot more stock in2 the reg season then detriot is atm, detriot is adopting a kind of SA attitude, wake us when the playoffs start, i think they are waiting to kick it in2 high gear then.

As i said, time will tell, but i like my chances with Detriots experience and bench over the flavor of the year.

Ball Don't Lie 02-11-2008 02:31 AM

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Originally Posted by pimpery (Post 9624)
I said above, he isnt always motivated, but when he is... and no1 has named 1 player (including KG) that can do all the things at as high a level as Rasheed can do when he really wants to.

He CAN do them, but does it once every blue moon, so who cares? VC CAN be the best player in the NBA but only plays like it once a year. Rasheed right now is Detroits anchor on defence and the 3rd option on offence. He isnt anywhere near KG's league. Please stop with the CAN talk. I love Sheed, but the guy just doesnt have the takeover attitude to be the bigtime player he should have been.

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I agree with Bel that Detriot is the best team in the league bar none, and i think they are gonna turn it up a notch in the playoffs this year (something you cant guarantee in Boston, basically 0 proven playoff players)
KG, Allen and Pierce have all taken their teams to the conference finals where all of them basically overachieved. Again, they shouldnt be punished for their GM's ineptitide. Posey has won a title. The rest I guess are question marks but all have shown a ton of poise this year in late game situations, and stepping up into roles that most(you included likely) didnt think they had the brass or talent to do(Rondo proving to be an excellent PG fit, Perkins C, Powe and Big Baby etc.)

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and if they want it like i think they do, they will make the finals and i would make them the fav if they do.
Hard to see how theyd be a favorite over any of the teams thatd come out of the insane west. By Finals time after beating 3 very very good opponents, the Western teams confidence will be sky high and their talent and chemistry will be too much for Detroit(IE SA, LAL, PHX...DAL I think DET could beat though)

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See for these guys in Boston, most of them arent used to the pressure of being the best team or the favorites (KG has been, and look how well it has worked out for him...)
Please tell me, besides the year the Wolves went to the conference finals, when has KG's team ever been a favorite in any series they played? Theyve always been the lower seed and underdog because Mchale is a jackass and shouldnt have a job. Dont throw shit out there you cant back up.

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and i think are putting alot more stock in2 the reg season then detriot is atm, detriot is adopting a kind of SA attitude, wake us when the playoffs start, i think they are waiting to kick it in2 high gear then.
So Bostons trying their hardest every game and DET's coasting...Riiiight. You dont coast into 35+ wins this early in the season. Both teams have been guilty of coasting a couple games due to fatigue(DET earlier in the year, BOS a couple games before KG got injured) but neither has coasted IMO. The whole coasting theory is BS. Teams dont play up to their potential on some nights either due to fatigue from playing 4 days in 5 nights or back to backs or just playing too many minutes on consequtive nights. Unless you have another definition of the word coasting, I just dont see it. These guys are professionals and proven vets on great teams with good coaches, if you're not trying out there youll be benched.

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As i said, time will tell, but i like my chances with Detriots experience and bench over the flavor of the year.
Flavor of the year now eh? You really hate them.

pimpery 02-11-2008 02:48 AM

Good points my friend, im a bit too tired to put up a strong arguement or look up old stats on the "big 3", so lets leave it at this and just see what happens, i wouldnt be surprised if detriot ended up the number 1 seed either, i wouldnt be surprised if they didnt. I sincerely hope they meet so we can find out once and for all, cuz its a fascinating matchup of the old east guard vs the new kid on the block (no disrespect to cleveland btw, i just find this match up more excitiing).

Well played sir :)

Ball Don't Lie 02-11-2008 12:17 PM

Yeah, Cleveland's a POS. Hopefully Toronto catches ORL for the 3rd seed and ORL and CLE have to duke it out in the 1st round instead of us. Thatd probably go 7 games there, and itd decrease the chances of CLE making it far in the playoffs and hopefully being a tired team in the 2nd round vs DET or BOS. Fuck cleveland.

Superjudge 02-11-2008 12:20 PM

I like watching Detroit.

Whats wrong with you people?????

Acie 02-11-2008 12:23 PM

I like watching Detroit too. San Antonio as well. Maybe there's not enough rim rattling dunks and behind the back passes? I guess people aren't fans of intelligent, well played basketball anymore.

Ball Don't Lie 02-11-2008 12:44 PM

I never said I didnt enjoy watching SA and DET, I do as long as theyre not facing either a bad team or a boring team like Cleveland. If theyre facing a West team or a very good team I'll go out of my way to watch it most of the time, but if theyre facing the boredom that is the Cavs or a shit team from the east I wont.

I also enjoy how both teams execute, and I cant really hate Duncan because he plays the game the right way and hasnt been a jackass or a ballhog during any part of his career. Detroits worth watching just to watch Sheed play defence, and when he feels like it, score on the low block.


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