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Old 12-27-2010, 11:29 AM   #1 (permalink)
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This is not so much about fantasy trades, just trying to make sense of the situation. In looking at next year's team salaries, a couple of things stand out.

Raps are only on the hook for $45 million. Great considering we don't know what's coming in the next CBA. From the team salary list, changes are most likely to come from Julian Wright upward. The guys below that are either too young or make a reasonable amount of money. If they move it is likely to keep from breaking a deal.

-Jose is not as hard to move with 2 years left at $10 mil per. Combined with Peja's expiring, his contract could net a more than decent return. But who's gonna run this team full time?
-Bargs is going nowhere
-Barbosa is not turning down his option and is not bad at 7.6 mil.
-Reggie's not the answer. bye.
-of Amir, Kleiza and Wright, expect Wright gone, maybe even Linas.
- I'd expect to see the same guys at 2 and 4

Now when you look at team salaries, you can see how the draft becomes important. If the policy is to never be a tax team how do we move up in this league needing upgrades at 1, 3 and 5 through just the TPE, Peja and expirings?

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I think now we can see why Colangelo is in a holding pattern. The draft will be about getting someone who can contribute right away, not a total project. Each asset could meet one specific position need?

How do you break that down?

draft a PG, sign a C and trade for a SF or just grab the best young player in each case?
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Old 12-27-2010, 11:54 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Yes Kleiza lacks consistency and isn't the best defender, but his skills vs salary are optimal what you can get. Kirilenko, Stojakovic, Carter are paid way more and are they that better?
Sign a centre that can defend, trade Bargnani for a PF.
Calderon and Bayless aren't that bad. DeRozan needs to work on his shot.
Anyone drafted won't be a game changer straight away. Either way draft the best player and then trade according to what's needed.
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Old 12-27-2010, 11:59 AM   #3 (permalink)
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trade Bargnani for a PF.
He is a PF
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Old 12-27-2010, 12:03 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Yes Kleiza lacks consistency and isn't the best defender, but his skills vs salary are optimal what you can get. Kirilenko, Stojakovic, Carter are paid way more and are they that better?
Sign a centre that can defend, trade Bargnani for a PF.
Calderon and Bayless aren't that bad. DeRozan needs to work on his shot.
Anyone drafted won't be a game changer straight away. Either way draft the best player and then trade according to what's needed.
Kleiza's salary is not bad, but I'm only seeing him as the 16 minute a game guy or the guy who starts when your starter is injured.

If they trade Bargnani under Colangelo's watch, I'll eat my Raptors pennant. And some say get in a solid centre and use Bargs as your PF.

If we end up lower in the draft, you can see how some of the assets being held onto might allow for a move up, if it's worth it.
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Old 12-27-2010, 12:09 PM   #5 (permalink)
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He is a PF
Trade Bargnani for another PF And with his speed and balance he reminds me a C.

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Kleiza's salary is not bad, but I'm only seeing him as the 16 minute a game guy or the guy who starts when your starter is injured.
Kleiza 16 minutes? No way, no way. He may be at very least a third offensive option, but using him for 16 minutes would be nonsense. You can let Dupree play for 16 minutes, but not Kleiza.

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If Bargnani can't get to a point where the team gives up fewer points than it scores while he's on the floor, or even come close, then Colangelo is going to have to at least consider trading the guy, or he should be let go himself. I could also live with building a crazy good defensive team apart from Andrea. Ed, Amir and Jerryd are a decent start towards that. It would be nice to see a couple of really good picks that take them further in that direction.
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If Bargnani can't get to a point where the team gives up fewer points than it scores while he's on the floor, or even come close, then Colangelo is going to have to at least consider trading the guy, or he should be let go himself. I could also live with building a crazy good defensive team apart from Andrea. Ed, Amir and Jerryd are a decent start towards that. It would be nice to see a couple of really good picks that take them further in that direction.
I'm with u on this one LX!!!!
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Old 12-27-2010, 03:20 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Can't that be about the right parts on a team? I can't say guys like Amare and Dirk are lock down defenders, but they are not a detriment either.

Colangelo has taken a hit in his status and reputation by what has gone on here. He's not trading this guy without some crazy offer. He has got to see this team climb with Bargs on it to redeem himself.

And call me crazy, but when they finally contend, it will likely be the 1, 2 and/or 3 positions that will be leading the team with a big contribution from him, rather than him being the "it" guy with a bunch of followers.
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Old 12-27-2010, 05:36 PM   #9 (permalink)
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thank ammo for the links. very instructive.

i think if BC want to stay with a good situation, he will trade Bargnani for a good deal. but which team will land him with a good deal for us.
i see orlando want him, and they will be more "contendable" with him at their pf and d12 at the center for sure. but what can they offer for him right now ?

i see houston want him, with scola at pf and barg at C good tandem. and houston willbe in a good deal situation with picks, with youngs to give, etc...

maybe SAS, with the old duncan, they will search for a big Cener who can score.

maybe NYK too, with stoud, Bargs will be great.
but not so much team need a guy like him even if he is a good scorer.

so maybe we can send him somewhere, but make sure BC take a good deal.

because davis-bargs can be a great pair too. and bayless - DD/babosa - ??? (draft or trade) - davis/amir/dorsey - Bargs if they can play together through this season, next season they can be great and go to 2nd round playoffs.

so it makes : caldy, evans, kleiza, weems, wright, peja, dupree, alabi : tradable and with some luck we can land one good sf and a good backup sf , a defensive backup center and 2 cheap pg who can do the job.

so 5 player needed and 8 who can go. and 8 who cost almost 39M, and 39M for 4 solid role player and one good, do you think it's too to ask for ?

without the 3 2011 pick. (all trade or without couning the 3 youngs who will arrive in july)

without forgotten, a defensive coach.

with this hypothese, i think we can keep caldy and kleiza, so we have a solid pg backup for the 2 next season (i don't ming his salary) and a good backup sf role player in kleiza.

it meems, we search only fr a sf starter, a 3rd pg, a denfensive center backup. and we wil be fine.

3 player to ask for and 6 to give.

not a so bad situation in fact. and we can still be in a great position for the new cba.

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