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Claudius 05-03-2011 12:27 PM

Run 'n Gun or Half-Court Offense?
 
Seeing as how BC had mentioned that he's willing to take a new approach to things, do you still want to see the run 'n gun team that seems to live off fast breaks and quick sets (cue D'Antoni to Tor).

Or would it be more prudent to play (boring) basketball, and play strictly from the half court and use Jose's strengths in sets and playing from the interior out?

Chiggmo 05-03-2011 12:33 PM

Fast break has proven to never win it all, as no team has really done it.

I'd say we just stick with half court, but it all really depends on the players I guess.

DDUnreal 05-03-2011 12:35 PM

And fuck D'Antoni

powerfulpanda 05-03-2011 12:36 PM

half court offense please
we don't have the players for a run and gun offense. or one that would win us games anyways.
the only time a run and gun offense was successful was mike d'antoni's phoenix suns. they had the players that fit the system. the d'antoni knicks before this year is evidence that you can't just impliment the system just anywhere. even the GSW who try to outscore their opponents haven't finished above .500 for how long now? and how does our lineup look compared to those teams?

jeffb 05-03-2011 12:37 PM

Both. A team needs to be a little flexible and play both depending on matchups. But, Jose's strengths need to find a new home. Alot has to also do with who we draft, and who's our starting PG. If our PG combo is Irving or Walker with Bayless, then a more up tempo might be the way to go. I mean when you have Derozan, Bayless, Barbosa, Amir on the team we need to be a little up tempo i would imagine. I don't think anyone can say how we should play until we know what roster we have.

dfunkie1 05-03-2011 12:47 PM

run and gun is a game of trading baskets. i want a team that's fixed on stopping baskets. i've always wanted our team to model themselves after spurs basketball (obviously in their younger days). they're predominantly half-court, but when called upon, they could move up the court with the best of them.

GrannyFro 05-03-2011 12:49 PM

tough call, you've got alot of athletes on this team that can thrive in the open court but you've also got bargnani and jose plus a generally lazy laid back atmosphere(i dont think this team has ever been conditioned to play like the suns)

bargnani and dd do give you 2 solid options in the half court if they do go that route, and you know guys like ed davis, amir, barbosa are going to run the floor hard and get transition buckets regardless.

creative1mm 05-03-2011 01:13 PM

why not both..
but with our current roster we can't do half court, because we don't have a guy like Chris Bosh down low

Claudius 05-03-2011 01:19 PM

I think there are times when you obviously need to play more up tempo but in terms of having an offensive scheme, I'm a bigger fan of the half-court.

Scully 05-03-2011 01:21 PM

Is this a Triano half court? If it is I would rather run.

Acie 05-03-2011 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiggmo (Post 535260)
Fast break has proven to never win it all, as no team has really done it.

I'd say we just stick with half court, but it all really depends on the players I guess.

I guess you missed Showtime.

dfunkie1 05-03-2011 01:32 PM

lakers weren't run and gun

LX 05-03-2011 01:37 PM

What I pushed for from the start of last season, was focussing primarily on getting stops. Enough fastbreak points will come off of that with the players they have, and a halfcourt game will develop eventually. It would still mean losing, but doing so while developing the right habits and having the right foundation they could count on. Instead, for years now, we've seen an emphasis on early offense that has hurt the development of the defense. Quick bad shots that send the ball back the other way in transition do not do a lot to motivate young players to put out more effort on the defensive end.

Acie 05-03-2011 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jackson Filth (Post 535301)
lakers weren't run and gun

No, but I was responding specifically to him saying that a fast break team has never won it. Even though they were good in the half-court, they looked to push it more often than not.

LX 05-03-2011 01:51 PM

It was the halfcourt execution that got showtime their titles though.

The Celtics pushed it in their own right. There shouldn't be thoughts of picking one way or another. The Suns brought about the idea of running off of makes as well as misses, and avoiding fouling so as not to slow the game down. That's where the idea of a dichotomy came into play. But the Raptors have the ability to run off of misses, and to get enough stops to compete, if they make it the central focus. It might take some time, but they need to start somewhere.

fk24 05-03-2011 02:29 PM

Halfcourrt offense. I'm pretty sure you won't have the energy to play good defence by running fastbreak all the time.

LightsOut 05-03-2011 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Acie (Post 535305)
No, but I was responding specifically to him saying that a fast break team has never won it. Even though they were good in the half-court, they looked to push it more often than not.

they had legends on that team tho didn't matter what style they played

ha123 05-03-2011 04:55 PM

For half court offense we will need a really good post player. We do not have one. Therefore we should be looking to out run are opponets and get easy buckets. Although I do prefer half court fundamental style (like in 06/07).

Snooch 05-03-2011 05:08 PM

combination of the 2.

More like a trot and shot.

Chiggmo 05-03-2011 05:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Acie (Post 535298)
I guess you missed Showtime.

I guess that could be 1 exception.


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