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Old 06-16-2011, 08:53 PM   #41 (permalink)
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Alabi maybe?
Hopefully not Alabi. Our one big-man prospect that's actually showing promise:

http://www.hoopsworld.com/Chat.asp?CHAT_TOPICS_ID=1687
Dave in :
You had mentioned in a previous chat that Toronto likes Solomon Alabi and that he's making progress. Alabi really intrigues me, can you share any info you have about his progress?

Stephen Brotherston:
Dave,
Our Hoopsworld guys in Florida have seen him working out and say he looks and feels good again.

Solo was a defensive POY in his conference but was hurt/rehabbing all of his first NBA season - if he is 100% and gets into great shape over the summer - he could surprise a lot of us next season.
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Old 06-16-2011, 09:16 PM   #42 (permalink)
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thanks for the correction bill h. you are absolutely right.
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Old 06-16-2011, 09:34 PM   #43 (permalink)
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RIP has proven two things in this league,

One is that he is a tremendous scorer who knows how to use screens to get off his midrange game. One of the best ever, albeit not for very long.

Two, RIP knows how to be a whiny bitch who likes to pass the buck when he isn't winning basketball games and scoring points. He has a proven ability to enroll teammates onto his hate train with the purpose of ending coaching careers.

No thanks. RIP is a good basketball player but his time at the top is long gone.

As for being a mentor, I don't think that a player with a history of promoting mutiny is the type of mentor the young gunz need.

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Old 06-16-2011, 10:10 PM   #44 (permalink)
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his 2 yr contract for the 8th pick is fair, i'd do it with our lack of talent. anyone outside DD and davis i'd do instantly. everyone is expendable except those 2.
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Old 06-16-2011, 10:49 PM   #45 (permalink)
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rip and #8 for tpe and barbosa works. starting to get a bit of wood about that possibiity... unfortunately there's pretty much no chance of something that good happening to us...
turkoglu for barbosa went down right anything is possible

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Old 06-16-2011, 11:26 PM   #46 (permalink)
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Do not understand why people think Hamilton has little value. The guy was an awesome player and had one bad year under a very odd coach.

With all the TPEs out there I doubt Detroit has to give up the 8 just to unload him
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Old 06-16-2011, 11:27 PM   #47 (permalink)
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more draft picks is what the team needs because our chances in the free agent market and in trades is not good
but this will also likely mean our team is going to be getting even worse than it already is
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Old 06-16-2011, 11:31 PM   #48 (permalink)
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more draft picks is what the team needs because our chances in the free agent market and in trades is not good
but this will also likely mean our team is going to be getting even worse than it already is
We're one of the only teams with any capspace, i wouldn't be so sure about FA. My guess is we sign one quality FA and make a decent trade.
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Old 06-17-2011, 01:57 AM   #49 (permalink)
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The Pistons are looking to secure their front court by adding a big next to Monroe. And there are some good options in this draft. So unless Detroit really prefers one of our bigs (probably only Ed) more than one they can add at 8, I don't see them pulling the trigger just to shed Rip's contract. And didn't they just sell to a lone billionaire owner, who's willing to spend?

Now Milwaukee makes sense. They don't see themselves as a rebuilding team, and as a terrible offensive club, they might be interested in Andrea or Barbosa.
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Old 06-17-2011, 02:02 AM   #50 (permalink)
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The Pistons are looking to secure their front court by adding a big next to Monroe. And there are some good options in this draft. So unless Detroit really prefers one of our bigs (probably only Ed) more than one they can add at 8, I don't see them pulling the trigger just to shed Rip's contract. And didn't they just sell to a lone billionaire owner, who's willing to spend?

Now Milwaukee makes sense. They don't see themselves as a rebuilding team, and as a terrible offensive club, they might be interested in Andrea or Barbosa.
Bogut/Bargnani would be interesting.
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that contract with a possible hard cap in the position where our best player plays. I don't see the use of Rip... especially when the talent from 8-20 in the draft is almost similar.
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Bogut/Bargnani would be interesting.
That would be a fantastic pairing.... two legit 7' guys and Bogut would surely rub off on AB. That much true length in the frontcourt would improve our interior D immensely.
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that contract with a possible hard cap in the position where our best player plays. I don't see the use of Rip... especially when the talent from 8-20 in the draft is almost similar.
You see what he does for a season and then he becomes a large expiring. In the mean time guys like derozan & JJ would benifit imo.
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You see what he does for a season and then he becomes a large expiring. In the mean time guys like derozan & JJ would benifit imo.
he sulked in detroit when he wasn't played.... yeah, not a good idea here.
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Old 06-17-2011, 10:24 AM   #55 (permalink)
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That would be a fantastic pairing.... two legit 7' guys and Bogut would surely rub off on AB. That much true length in the frontcourt would improve our interior D immensely.
I think he meant we would send them Bargs for their pick + i donno...maggette or something
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Old 06-17-2011, 10:27 AM   #56 (permalink)
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he sulked in detroit when he wasn't played.... yeah, not a good idea here.
As he should have. I guy that has talent and experience not playing is wrong. Detroit is a fuckin' mess. Many games in the first half he was getting DNP. IMO that's just bullshit and if I were him I would have also been pissed.
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As he should have. I guy that has talent and experience not playing is wrong. Detroit is a fuckin' mess. Many games in the first half he was getting DNP. IMO that's just bullshit and if I were him I would have also been pissed.
As he should have? You have low standards. Look at a baseball example. Michael Young, Texas Rangers veteran and team leader for many years is told in offseason he's going to platoon all over the place. He didn't sulk, whine or no show like Rip did. He showed up and started the year off on fire. It was an insult that they forced him to change positions 3 out of the last 4 years, but he didn't punk out like Rip.

Just sayin. The Raptors don't need any selfish players.
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Old 06-17-2011, 10:36 AM   #58 (permalink)
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It depends on whether Colangelo used part of the Bosh TPE on Bayless, or whether he used a small TPE from another transaction (maybe he had one from the phoenix trade?)

The Bosh TPE was worth $14, 500 or $14, 600. But Bayless' required $2.2 million.

Rip's salary next year is 12, 600. If the Raps used part of the Bosh TPE on Bayless, and I think I read that B.C did that, then the TPE is NOT big enough to absorb Rip's salary. It falls just short.

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You cannot combine a TPE and a player's salary to trade for a single player. Yes, it seems like teams combine TPEs and players, but it's because they complete trades in stages, although the trades get reported at the same time. They are filed with the league in a different manner.

So, Barbosa + TPE does not work for Rip. The Raps could absorb salary and save Detroit money by doing something similar, though.

For example, the Raps could trade Calderon for Rip. Then use the TPE to absorb another ugly contract.

Rip + filler for Calderon + TPE + 8th pick = trade that works, filed in stages
Actually, BC has used the TPE in three separate transactions so far, whittling it down to 9.1 million. So they are not even near being able to absorb Rip's contract, and a second bad contract would have to be below that 9.1 value.
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Old 06-17-2011, 03:45 PM   #59 (permalink)
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Actually, BC has used the TPE in three separate transactions so far, whittling it down to 9.1 million. So they are not even near being able to absorb Rip's contract, and a second bad contract would have to be below that 9.1 value.
Ah, thanks, good to know. That definitely puts limitations on which ugly contracts they could take in exchange for a pick. In terms of the TPE, Gordon would be out of the picture. Charlie V could still be absorbed.
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Old 06-17-2011, 04:45 PM   #60 (permalink)
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Ah, thanks, good to know. That definitely puts limitations on which ugly contracts they could take in exchange for a pick. In terms of the TPE, Gordon would be out of the picture. Charlie V could still be absorbed.
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