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Old 01-28-2013, 08:15 PM   #1 (permalink)
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New Grizzlies CEO Jason Levien told local reporters late last week that "we really like our team" and that it is "more likely than not that we do nothing" in terms of breaking up Memphis' marquee foursome of Gay, point guard Mike Conley, forward Zach Randolph and center Marc Gasol.

But sources say that the Raptors, undaunted by that stance, continue to pursue Gay and also covet Grizzlies forward Darrell Arthur. Toronto, sources said, has made veteran point guard Jose Calderon and blossoming young forward Ed Davis available as the two cornerstones of its offer.

Other teams remain engaged with the Grizzlies as well, as Memphis officials continue to weigh whether it is best to trade Gay or keep together the core of a team that has ranked among the top four in the Western Conference.

If talks with the Raptors do progress, according to sources, it's possible that a trade with Memphis could expand to include other teams and players. NBA front-office sources have maintained for weeks that Calderon (who has an expiring contract), fellow Raptors point guard Kyle Lowry (only $1 million in guaranteed salary next season) and former No. 1 overall pick Andrea Bargnani all are available.
Rudy Gay subject of active trade discussions between Toronto Raptors, Memphis Grizzlies -- sources - ESPN

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Old 01-28-2013, 08:17 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I wish, but no way Memphis is trading Gay.
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Old 01-28-2013, 08:23 PM   #3 (permalink)
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This would be amazing, especially if we can somehow get rid of Bargnani instead of Davis.
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Old 01-28-2013, 08:31 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Of course we covet him. With the talent of Lowry and Gay + the development of Valanciunas at C, BC gets to sell to MLSE that 2013-2014 is a playoff year. That's his plan, just like his plan before the draft was to trade #8 for Gay/Iguodala with along with Nash would spring a playoff season.

IMO BC will almost definitely be willing to give up Ross for Gay. Ross and Calderon for Gay gives him a starting 5 of Lowry, Derozan, Gay, Davis, Valanciunas to sell to MLSE as his playoff team next year. I wouldn't even be surprised if we gave up Ross AND Davis to get Gay. I think BC will stop at almost nothing to get Gay at this point. He's a big name, fills the need, and as long as him and Lowry and Valanciunas are here BC looks good when it's time to renew his contract. There is almost nothing BC can do that will increase his job of keeping his job, more than getting Gay.

Interesting 3 way trade idea if Memphis doesn't like the deal straight up - Reroute Calderon and Ross and/or Davis to Boston, Memphis gets Pierce and Toronto gets Gay. That fits all 3 teams. Boston trades Pierce for young talent and gets a PG replacement, Memphis goes for it this year and Toronto does their 'hey look we got Rudy Gay' thing
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Surely it would take alot more than that, no?

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The Toronto Raptors are active in trade talks with the Memphis Grizzlies for Rudy Gay, according to sources.

The Raptors are believed to be the team most serious for Gay.

The framework of a workable trade has not been established.

Sources say the Raptors have made Jose Calderon and Ed Davis as the core of a trade offer for Gay.

Sources also believe that a trade involving the Raptors and Grizzlies could expand to other teams.

The Grizzlies are motivated to trade Gay due financial concerns even though they made a cap-friendly trade last week with the CAvaliers.


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Of course we covet him. With the talent of Lowry and Gay + the development of Valanciunas at C, BC gets to sell to MLSE that 2013-2014 is a playoff year. That's his plan, just like his plan before the draft was to trade #8 for Gay/Iguodala with along with Nash would spring a playoff season.

IMO BC will almost definitely be willing to give up Ross for Gay. Ross and Calderon for Gay gives him a starting 5 of Lowry, Derozan, Gay, Davis, Valanciunas to sell to MLSE as his playoff team next year. I wouldn't even be surprised if we gave up Ross AND Davis to get Gay. I think BC will stop at almost nothing to get Gay at this point. He's a big name, fills the need, and as long as him and Lowry and Valanciunas are here BC looks good when it's time to renew his contract. There is almost nothing BC can do that will increase his job of keeping his job, more than getting Gay.

Interesting 3 way trade idea if Memphis doesn't like the deal straight up - Reroute Calderon and Ross and/or Davis to Boston, Memphis gets Pierce and Toronto gets Gay. That fits all 3 teams. Boston trades Pierce for young talent and gets a PG replacement, Memphis goes for it this year and Toronto does their 'hey look we got Rudy Gay' thing
Regardless if we get Rudy Gay or not i don't think BC is going anywhere. At least that's what i've gotten from what i've heard.
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Lets do this, about time we get a franchise player who isn't a scrub.
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Fuck this shit. We don't need him. I've defended BC a lot but I can't defend this. We don't need fucking Gay.

1) He's going to rape our cap.
2) He's having an off year and pretty much producing less in everything and playing like crap
3) AA/Ross/Fields/Demar are playing fine and we even have Kleiza. We don't need another wing.

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Rudy Gay 17.0 PT .404 of 16.4 FG .776 of 3.7 FT .301 of 3.0 3P 5.9/1.3 RB 2.51 AS 0.73 BL 1.37 ST 2.46 TO 2.10 PF 36.6 MN 41/41 GS
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DeMar DeRozan 17.2 PT .439 of 14.8 FG .824 of 4.6 FT .250 of 1.5 3P 4.4/0.7 RB 2.07 AS 0.36 BL 1.05 ST 1.66 TO 2.27 PF 36.8 MN 44/44 GS
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Rudy Gay Salary - Grizzlies: $16.5M 2013 | $17.9M 2014 | $19.3M 2015
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Calderon, Derozan, Filler for Gay, Arthur.



Get a third team involved to add pieces. Then flip Bargs for depth, possibly involving a pick.

Lowry
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^ Solid defensive lineup that can hit 3's and score at will inside/out.

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Fuck this shit. We don't need him. I've defended BC a lot but I can't defend this. We don't need fucking Gay.

1) He's going to rape our cap.
2) He's having an off year and pretty much producing less in everything and playing like crap
3) AA/Ross/Fields/Demar are playing fine and we even have Kleiza. We don't need another wing.
the thing is, gay is that guy you give the ball to in the clutch, we do not have that go to scorer, plus he is a better defender
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Fuck this shit. We don't need him. I've defended BC a lot but I can't defend this. We don't need fucking Gay.

1) He's going to rape our cap.
2) He's having an off year and pretty much producing less in everything and playing like crap
3) AA/Ross/Fields/Demar are playing fine and we even have Kleiza. We don't need another wing.
Forget the numbers, anyone who watches the Raptors play knows DeRozan can never be "that guy". Gay would instantly become our best wing player and he can actually play SF, pair him with Ross and we IMPROVE no matter how you paint the picture.
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Also, people who are complaining about his salary... who the hell do we plan on signing anyways?? People act like we're going to sign a player to a max contract soon and can't get players with high salaries.
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Also, people who are complaining about his salary... who the hell do we plan on signing anyways?? People act like we're going to sign a player to a max contract soon and can't get players with high salaries.
exactly, it isnt like people FA are dying to come here
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Forget the numbers, anyone who watches the Raptors play knows DeRozan can never be "that guy". Gay would instantly become our best wing player and he can actually play SF, pair him with Ross and we IMPROVE no matter how you paint the picture.
He would improve us but he's not worth the money at all. It would be horrible for the Raptors to trade for him because a) we'd take on a ton of salary b) we'd have to give up prospects and possibly a pick to trade for him . It's not worth it. We're competing fine right now, just trade for someone who wont cost us an arm and a leg as well us kill the cap. I'd say we should just wait till FA and sign someone.

TLDR: Gay would be our best wing player but he's not worth the money or the prospects/picks we'd need to give up to get him.


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Calderon, Derozan, Filler for Gay, Arthur.



Get a third team involved to add pieces. Then flip Bargs for depth, possibly involving a pick.

Lowry
Ross
Gay
Davis
Valanciunas


^ Solid defensive lineup that can hit 3's and score at will inside/out.
If we trade Calderon we need to find a PG because Lowry is moron that doesn't understand game situation and costs us games with his stupid decision making. He's a terrible #1 PG.
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He would improve us but he's not worth the money at all. It would be horrible for the Raptors to trade for him because a) we'd take on a ton of salary b) we'd have to give up prospects and possibly a pick to trade for him . It's not worth it. We're competing fine right now, just trade for someone who wont cost us an arm and a leg as well us kill the cap. I'd say we should just wait till FA and sign someone.

TLDR: Gay would be our best wing player but he's not worth the money or the prospects/picks we'd need to give up to get him.
Mehhh, only 2years left on his contract after this season. Easily worth it
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Calderon, Derozan, Filler for Gay, Arthur.



Get a third team involved to add pieces. Then flip Bargs for depth, possibly involving a pick.

Lowry
Ross
Gay
Davis
Valanciunas


^ Solid defensive lineup that can hit 3's and score at will inside/out.
i think ross / gay would work better than demar / gay. i just don't see the gay and demar playing well beside each other.

arthur can go fuck himself thou. douchehole wouldn't come workout for the Raptors during his draft year.

i'd want a couple of picks from them if anything is to come of this.

calderon / demar for gay is a both a talent and financial win for the grizz

calderon / ross / davis is both a talent and financial win for the grizz

for the simple fact that we're looking to financially save their asses and giving up a lot of talent, they should be paying out more.
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I really wouldn't even mind trading Demar and Calderon for him, and then starting Ross. Problem is Casey wouldn't develop Ross nor trust him.
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for the simple fact that we're looking to financially save their asses and giving up a lot of talent, they should be paying out more.
Ridiculous, they're not up against it or desperate here. Sure they'd like to save money but with the deal they made last week they are in no rush to do a fuckin' thing. And if you think we're getting picks on top of Gay for an expiring pylon + Derozan you're nuts.
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He would improve us but he's not worth the money at all. It would be horrible for the Raptors to trade for him because a) we'd take on a ton of salary b) we'd have to give up prospects and possibly a pick to trade for him . It's not worth it. We're competing fine right now, just trade for someone who wont cost us an arm and a leg as well us kill the cap. I'd say we should just wait till FA and sign someone.
If only it were that simple. The only free agent we'd get is to overpay a player like Josh Smith to a max contract, is that what you want?

DeRozan isn't going to bring this franchise anywhere, that's the reality of it... he can't defend, isn't clutch, can't dribble, can't be the go to guy... whereas Rudy Gay can. Ross/Gay defending the wing is worlds better than DeRozan/(who the hell knows)
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Well, it looks like the Raptors have re-started their campaign to bring Rudy Gay to Toronto. According to Marc Stein of ESPN, the Raptors "have definitively decided to make a real run at Gay." This is the second time in under a year that Toronto's intentions to pursue Gay have leaked (the first time was leading up to the 2012 NBA Draft) and until Gay is moved somewhere, it likely won't be the last.

The appeal of Gay on paper is obvious: he's an athletic specimen with a sweet-looking jumper and an ability to pour points on an opposing team. For a Raptors club that is still looking for a go-to scorer on the wing, Gay would seem like an ideal candidate.

There are pesky 'realities', though, that paint a less rosy picture. First of all, Gay is on the trading block because he is having a sub-par year, posting six-year lows in points per game (17.8) and PER (14.9) and career-lows in standard field goal percentage (.408) as well as true shooting percentage (.484). Add this to the fact that Gay has never been known for his commitment to defence and the need to acquire Gay wanes just a little.

More pressing than stats, however, is money. Gay is slated to earn $16.5 million this season and $37.2 million over the next two years. That's a ton of money, especially under the new, harsher conditions of the current CBA. That figure would serve as a significant obstacle for the Raptors going forward, especially if Gay continues to operate at levels below his career norms like he has been this season, and would serve as a sticking point with fans should the team's fortunes not improve measurable with his presence.

Of course, any trade is weighed by the pieces that are exchanged. As ESPN is reporting, Toronto's opening bid is Jose Calderon's expiring $10.6 million contract and breakout power forward Ed Davis. According to ESPN's Trade Machine, that trade would be approved, though it would eat the roughly $3 million Toronto has remaining under the salary cap. Now, that would be Toronto trading two of their best players this season for a guy having arguably his worst professional season, as well as depleting two positions while overstuffing a third, so let's just say that if this trade were to go down as reported (and we're a long way from that yet), it wouldn't be because it balanced Toronto's roster any.

There are fit issues when you talk about bringing Gay to the Raptors, as well. Assuming no wing players are packaged into a trade, Toronto would be facing a wing rotation of Gay and DeMar DeRozan in the starting lineup and Terrence Ross, Landry Fields and Alan Anderson off the bench (with Mickael Pietrus sliding out of the rotation altogether). That's not a great situation for Toronto to be facing.

Right off the bat, you are facing duplication issues between Gay and DeRozan. Neither one is a great shooter (don't be deceived, Gay is not a great, or really even a good, three-point shooter), neither one excels at defence and neither one passes the ball well. These guys don't offset each other's games so much as mirror them, except Gay does it at a greater than 50% financial premium.

Behind them, you have to make a choice about the limited minutes available to Ross, Fields and Anderson, all three of whom have been playing well of late. Since Gay will command roughly 35 minutes per game (as opposed to the 22 that Pietrus is currently logging), that also considerably restricts the amount of time available to those players. How would Dwane Casey manage that situation? If we assume that Fields continues to play way out of position at power forward, that eases some of the logjam, but suffice it to say, it's not a long-term solution.

It should also be taken into account that Ross plays a style of basketball that actually evokes plenty of memories of Gay, except that Ross plays some defence. With Toronto fans' tendency to latch onto young players and reserves, how long would it be before they turned on Gay if he appeared to be stifling Ross's development by eating up all of his minutes?

This is one of those moves that catches the eye because it involves a name player being linked to the Toronto Raptors, but it doesn't take long before one realizes that the fit doesn't make sense. Back in the summer, when the Raptors were still building around Andrea Bargnani and were looking ahead to a free agency pursuit of Steve Nash, then a Rudy Gay trade made a certain amount of sense.

Today, however, circumstances have changed considerably and unless the components of the trade are meaningfully altered, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense for Bryan Colangelo to crawl too far down this particular rabbit hole.
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