RR: It seems unlikely Raptors can move up in the draft

jeffb · 05-24-2014, 11:35 AM

It Seems Unlikely the Raptors Can Trade Up | Raptors Republic: ESPN TrueHoop Network Blog

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While it hasn’t really seemed a realistic possibility since the Toronto Raptors turned their season around in the weeks following the Rudy Gay trade, it certainly*seemed a likely goal*in the immediate aftermath. Even once the tank was unquestionably “off,” the idea remained that there*may be some way for the Raptors to still end up with the hometown hero.It’s not happening.

This isn’t news, of course, but after reaching out to bloggers from teams who have picks ahead of the Raptors’ No. 20 selection, it seems unlikely that, barring a major and unexpected trade, the Raptors won’t be moving up to select anywhere in the lottery, Wiggins or otherwise.

Depending on how you evaluate this draft class, that may not be a concern. The fluidity in rankings for the prospects in the 10-30 range is such that you may prefer a player at 20, anyway, who you may not need to trade up for. Still, I wanted to evaluate the possibility, so I reached out.

Raptor AssetsBefore we get into responses, here are the assets that the Raptors could conceivably offer a team in any draft day deal:

Picks No. 20, 37 and 59 in 2014 draft
Own 2015 picks
Own 2016 1st, NY 2016 1st (lower of NY/Den)
Own 2017 picks, NY 2017 2nd
All own picks 2018-2020
DeMar DeRozan, Amir Johnson, Landry Fields, Chuck Hayes, Steve Novak, Jonas Valanciunas, Terrence Ross (roster players)Patrick Patterson, Greivis Vasquez, Nando De Colo (RFAs sign-and-trade)Kyle Lowry (UFA sign-and-trade)John Salmons ($7M/2M), Tyler Hansbrough ($3.3M/1M) non-guaranteed deals (total/guaranteed)

pzabby · 05-24-2014, 11:53 AM

I would trade all the picks we can legally trade, and Demar or JV depending on who's left for the second overall. Wiggins and Embiid are drool worthy.

Alex · 05-24-2014, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by pzabby

I would trade all the picks we can legally trade, and Demar or JV depending on who's left for the second overall. Wiggins and Embiid are drool worthy.

That would be the most ridiculous deal. Bad. Bad. Bad.

Wictory · 05-24-2014, 12:27 PM

I honestly don't see the point to trade up at this time. Not to mention I seriously doubt either mill or phi would give up their pick as they need that franchise player. Clev is the only question mark but what was the last time that someone gave up a first pick

pzabby · 05-24-2014, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex

That would be the most ridiculous deal. Bad. Bad. Bad.

Embiid looks like the two way big we've been missing since.. I don't even know when. Guy has post moves for days, and is a rim protector. and has range to 3.... Imagine a JV Embiid combo?

Wiggins can be the SF we've been missing to guard the bigger ones, and take over when needed.

I love DD as much as the next guy, but if a SF can be had as good as him, if not better, you go for it, given you have ross.

omar36 · 05-24-2014, 12:39 PM

Doubt Masai really wants to move up unless he sees something special. There are decent players around 20-30 so really no need to move up. This draft is crazy in terms of where people outside the lottery will be picked. All mock drafts have such different slots for players

jeffb · 05-24-2014, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by omar36

Doubt Masai really wants to move up unless he sees something special. There are decent players around 20-30 so really no need to move up. This draft is crazy in terms of where people outside the lottery will be picked. All mock drafts have such different slots for players

I have a feeling we'll be surprised at who is available at #20. Someone unexpected will drop down to us imo.

MikeToronto · 05-24-2014, 12:59 PM

IMHO, we should only trade up for a chance at Wiggins. Not to say he is necessarily going to be the best player in this draft when it's all said and done, but by all accounts he seems to be the best player for us to reach for - from his Toronto origins to his humble personality to the needs he'd fill for years to come and an opportunity for him to grow at his own pace behind other established players - that's a match made in heaven.

If it took DD plus picks and expiring with Wiggins and, perhaps, undesirable contract heading our way, I'd go for it. As the draft unfolds, it could be #2 or #3 we'd be talking about - I just don't see the Cavs passing on Embiid unless the health concerns are well-justified and Bucks might just prefer Parker.

LOG · 05-24-2014, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by pzabby

Embiid looks like the two way big we've been missing since.. I don't even know when. Guy has post moves for days, and is a rim protector. and has range to 3.... Imagine a JV Embiid combo?

Wiggins can be the SF we've been missing to guard the bigger ones, and take over when needed.

I love DD as much as the next guy, but if a SF can be had as good as him, if not better, you go for it, given you have ross.

I think Snooch hacked pzabby's account

pzabby · 05-24-2014, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by LOG

I think Snooch hacked pzabby's account

I'm against Tanking. But if you see a chance to improve your team, you do it. Tanking you can have a max 25 percent chance at a top pick, at largely unknown draft prospectees at the beginning of the year (when you'd have to start). You'd also have to gut your team to even have a shot.

In the above scenario, you're not really gutting your team, and improving it two fold, while having a strong winning culture in place. It's asset optimization.

omar36 · 05-24-2014, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeToronto

IMHO, we should only trade up for a chance at Wiggins. Not to say he is necessarily going to be the best player in this draft when it's all said and done, but by all accounts he seems to be the best player for us to reach for - from his Toronto origins to his humble personality to the needs he'd fill for years to come and an opportunity for him to grow at his own pace behind other established players - that's a match made in heaven.

If it took DD plus picks and expiring with Wiggins and, perhaps, undesirable contract heading our way, I'd go for it. As the draft unfolds, it could be #2 or #3 we'd be talking about - I just don't see the Cavs passing on Embiid unless the health concerns are well-justified and Bucks might just prefer Parker.

i doubt philly would want DD unless they are thinking of a fast rebuild. but that would be sick to have wiggins as our sf (move ross to sg).

maybe a package of DD 2 first round picks plus we take jason richardsons contract would be great for the raps

pzabby · 05-24-2014, 01:16 PM

It's not going to happen. But it would be sick, yeah.

MikeToronto · 05-24-2014, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by omar36

i doubt philly would want DD unless they are thinking of a fast rebuild. but that would be sick to have wiggins as our sf (move ross to sg).

maybe a package of DD 2 first round picks plus we take jason richardsons contract would be great for the raps

Nor do I think it's likely that we'd get him - remember, Bucks and Phily have tanked hard with Wiggins (pretty much) in mind, and so if Cavs draft Embiid, it's like the draft starts at #2 for those teams.

Our first chance at Wiggins would be after his fourth season, and a lot could change between now and then. He'd be perfect for the team we have today, might not be for the team we have then. We might not want him or he might not want us in 4 years.

**halphbreedballer** · 05-24-2014, 02:09 PM

The only way we make a move Draft night to try & land Wiggins. Is if he states I only want to play for the Raptors!

Which could happen

pzabby · 05-24-2014, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by halphbreedballer

The only way we make a move Draft night to try & land Wiggins. Is if he states I only want to play for the Raptors!

Which could happen

nah. Kid is too humble and shy. He's no francis.

deaner · 05-24-2014, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by halphbreedballer

The only way we make a move Draft night to try & land Wiggins. Is if he states I only want to play for the Raptors!

Which could happen

Wiggins has already stated he will play anywhere. That dream is over.

bjjs · 05-24-2014, 04:09 PM

"after reaching out to Bloggers..."

"unlikely barring a major or unexpected trade..."

lolz...

Does every blog need it's own thread..it's not like this is news.

KoolAid · 05-24-2014, 07:38 PM

This is what happens when you decide to be competitive they same year as arguably the best draft in the decade.

Metallikid · 05-24-2014, 07:41 PM

Pzabby, there's no way we move into a top 3 pick. It would take too much out of our core. If this season taught me anything it's that chemistry is a very, very tricky thing to attain and that a team will only become contenders if they can keep a specific group or core together to develop. Even if we only keep Lowry/DeRozan/Ross/Johnson/Valanciunas/Vasquez/Patterson and don't add anyone else of value, we'll still be a much better team than this season.

LOG · 06-02-2014, 09:53 AM

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05-24-2014, 11:53 AM	#2 (permalink)
pzabby and a 1, and a 2, and a 1,2,3,4! Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: toronto Posts: 7,055 Representing:	I would trade all the picks we can legally trade, and Demar or JV depending on who's left for the second overall. Wiggins and Embiid are drool worthy.

05-24-2014, 12:27 PM	#4 (permalink)
Wictory is pounding the rock! Member Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Toronto Posts: 388 Representing:	I honestly don't see the point to trade up at this time. Not to mention I seriously doubt either mill or phi would give up their pick as they need that franchise player. Clev is the only question mark but what was the last time that someone gave up a first pick

05-24-2014, 12:39 PM	#6 (permalink)
omar36 is pounding the rock! Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 1,681 Representing:	Doubt Masai really wants to move up unless he sees something special. There are decent players around 20-30 so really no need to move up. This draft is crazy in terms of where people outside the lottery will be picked. All mock drafts have such different slots for players

05-24-2014, 12:59 PM	#8 (permalink)
MikeToronto Gam zeh ya'avor The Gatekeeper Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Toronto Posts: 4,073 Representing:	IMHO, we should only trade up for a chance at Wiggins. Not to say he is necessarily going to be the best player in this draft when it's all said and done, but by all accounts he seems to be the best player for us to reach for - from his Toronto origins to his humble personality to the needs he'd fill for years to come and an opportunity for him to grow at his own pace behind other established players - that's a match made in heaven. If it took DD plus picks and expiring with Wiggins and, perhaps, undesirable contract heading our way, I'd go for it. As the draft unfolds, it could be #2 or #3 we'd be talking about - I just don't see the Cavs passing on Embiid unless the health concerns are well-justified and Bucks might just prefer Parker.

05-24-2014, 01:16 PM	#12 (permalink)
pzabby and a 1, and a 2, and a 1,2,3,4! Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: toronto Posts: 7,055 Representing:	It's not going to happen. But it would be sick, yeah.

05-24-2014, 02:09 PM	#14 (permalink)
halphbreedballer Waiting for DD's 1st in game wind mill Dunk Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: T.O. Posts: 4,879 Representing:	The only way we make a move Draft night to try & land Wiggins. Is if he states I only want to play for the Raptors! Which could happen

05-24-2014, 04:09 PM	#17 (permalink)
bjjs a baller Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 8,660 Representing:	"after reaching out to Bloggers..." "unlikely barring a major or unexpected trade..." lolz... Does every blog need it's own thread..it's not like this is news.

05-24-2014, 07:38 PM	#18 (permalink)
KoolAid If I ruled the world... Sippin' On Myself Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Yes Posts: 3,620 Representing:	This is what happens when you decide to be competitive they same year as arguably the best draft in the decade.

05-24-2014, 07:41 PM	#19 (permalink)
Metallikid is dead inside Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 2,234 Representing:	Pzabby, there's no way we move into a top 3 pick. It would take too much out of our core. If this season taught me anything it's that chemistry is a very, very tricky thing to attain and that a team will only become contenders if they can keep a specific group or core together to develop. Even if we only keep Lowry/DeRozan/Ross/Johnson/Valanciunas/Vasquez/Patterson and don't add anyone else of value, we'll still be a much better team than this season.