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Old 07-29-2008, 10:27 AM   #21 (permalink)
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Quite frankly I'm not expecting much from Jawai unless he improves his conditioning before the start of next season. Eric Smith was saying that Nathan was struggling with a groin injury during the Vegas Summer League, but at the same time mentioned that he was terrible shape coming into the week event. That kind of concerns me.
But JO said he is looking real good, Id take JO word over Smith.
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Old 07-29-2008, 10:31 AM   #22 (permalink)
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I dunno, personally, Kapono is a very good team defender while Moon is more of a solid one on one/help defender due to his athleticism.

However, if our offense is running from the low blocks out, I'd be more inclined to run out Kapono out there. If anyone decides to double one of the bigs, you kick out to Kapono who you know has a good chance at hitting open jumpers (see his Miami stats). If you trot out Moon there and seeing as he's an average shooter teams would be willing to let him and try the open jumper. With Kapono and Parker and Calderon, teams really can't afford to cheat off one of those guys.

Plus, if Ukic plays uptempo, plus Hassan, throw out Moon out there you have a pretty atheltic second unit that shows the other team a completely different set of players and now the opposing team has to match up bascially for a completely different team. We're not simply plugging in and playing the same system, but we can potentially play an entirely different game. It would drive opposing teams insane, because how do you adapt?
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Old 07-29-2008, 10:33 AM   #23 (permalink)
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Sure sure.

And like every other Purple Kool Aid drinking Mofo here you assume that the players are going to just light it up if they move to the Spurs.

Ask the Rocket.

Ya, right, whateveh, no way, not eveh!

The Celts just ran the same Offence as the RAPS and dismantled the entire NBA.

You don't think?

Ask around, almost every team is running the same Junk. The difference is in the quality of players. PP and Ray Allen were sensational last year, PP ate everyone up for lunch. Can we say the same for Our two one trick pony's at the three? Or am I missing something, is it Mitchells job to drop them into perfect positions so they can make a few plays. No way, not eveh. get outta town.

Facts are, Toronto is weak in integral positions, hopefully this can change with Oneals more deliberate post game as he may actually draw a double that provides space. Bosh and his game rely on speed, and that doesnt give the timing needed to really open up the game for Kapono the three toed Sloth. Moon. Well, unless he learns to get to the hole, I'd cut him if his salary wasn't so sweet.

There ya have it.
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Old 07-29-2008, 10:35 AM   #24 (permalink)
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Kind of disagree here, Moon and Kapono have skill sets that are at the opposite spectrum of each other. Pairing Moon at the start of the game with AP and Jose means that (1) he is surrounded by shooters and smarter players and (2) he can really be free to use his abilityies on the defensive end to set a good tone(having both Bosh and JO behind him)

Having Kaps off the Bench insures a good scoring punch and once interior presence is established on the offensive end with Bosh and JO Kaps will receive many more open looks.

So I beleive that for these reasons the first 6 or 7 mins of the game/quarter will be Moon, but Kaps will close out all the quarters
Moon starts because of defence and that is the only reason.

Sure. im talking more about "starters minutes" per 48.

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Old 07-29-2008, 10:38 AM   #25 (permalink)
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So I beleive that for these reasons the first 6 or 7 mins of the game/quarter will be Moon, but Kaps will close out all the quarters
Yep I agree, Calde, Parker are great shooters already so putting Kapono there would be a little redundant.
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Old 07-29-2008, 10:40 AM   #26 (permalink)
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Moon starts because of defence and that is the only reason.

Sure. im talking more about "starters minutes" per 48.

ya know?
Ya I get ya, but I still think that, depending on the game of course, their minutes are going to be handled similar to Jose/TJ last year.
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Old 07-29-2008, 10:45 AM   #27 (permalink)
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Moon starts because of defence and that is the only reason.
Come on SJ. Are you saying the only thing Moon is capable is doing is playing decent defense? He's a lot better than that you know. He was 3rd (?) runner-up for ROY for just his defense. Moon can do a lot more than that.
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Old 07-29-2008, 10:46 AM   #28 (permalink)
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if were talking about the same BDP looking humpty dance mofo from last year, Jamario Moon, then yes. He is all defence.
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Old 07-29-2008, 10:48 AM   #29 (permalink)
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Yep I agree, Calde, Parker are great shooters already so putting Kapono there would be a little redundant.
No, it wouldn't be. Look, teams will sag off of Moon to double one of the bigs on the block, just like they did last season. Do you really want to see Moon shooting often?

Calderon at the top of the circle, Parker in one corner and Kapono in another, with JO and CB around the paint is a deadly offensive setup, one even a simple-minded coach like Mitchell can comprehend. The opponents will either have to guard JO/Bosh one-on-one or allow a top-ten three-point shooter in the league an open look at the basket.
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Old 07-29-2008, 10:54 AM   #30 (permalink)
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No, it wouldn't be. Look, teams will sag off of Moon to double one of the bigs on the block, just like they did last season. Do you really want to see Moon shooting often?

Calderon at the top of the circle, Parker in one corner and Kapono in another, with JO and CB around the paint is a deadly offensive setup, one even a simple-minded coach like Mitchell can comprehend. The opponents will either have to guard JO/Bosh one-on-one or allow a top-ten three-point shooter in the league an open look at the basket.
I didnt explain myself correctly. What I mean is that it would be ideal to have Calde/Parker/Kapono more often on offense. But IMO thinking that our second unit wont be as good shooters as the first. It will be better to put Kapono there to help them and Moon to contribute more on defense from the beggining.

I bet they will play similar minutes though. It all depends on how much has Moon improved in the off-season.
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Old 07-29-2008, 10:56 AM   #31 (permalink)
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Unless Moon is driving the ball he is a liability and a hinderence.

I'm all for him if he's developed a Jump shot all of a sudden. 3000 shots a day and weight training might have helped.

Think he is doing that?
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No, it wouldn't be. Look, teams will sag off of Moon to double one of the bigs on the block, just like they did last season. Do you really want to see Moon shooting often?
There is no real reason for Moon to be shooting on those kick outs.

Teams should always make the extra pass on those and Moon can either make the extra pass or drive in off of the extra pass.
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But IMO thinking that our second unit wont be as good shooters as the first. It will be better to put Kapono there to help them and Moon to contribute more on defense from the beggining.
This is a very different team than last year. We do not have a second unit any longer. I don't expect a regular rotation longer than 9 players, with 8 guys playing most nights. As such, it's incorrect to think in terms of "first" or "second" unit.
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There is no real reason for Moon to be shooting on those kick outs.

Teams should always make the extra pass on those and Moon can either make the extra pass or drive in off of the extra pass.
You have to make the opposing defence pay. Why make the extra pass when the man receiving the ball is theoretically open?
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Old 07-29-2008, 11:07 AM   #35 (permalink)
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There is no real reason for Moon to be shooting on those kick outs.

Teams should always make the extra pass on those and Moon can either make the extra pass or drive in off of the extra pass.
Yes, there is - he is WIDE OPEN. He can try to drive, true, and probably should, but in most cases, he'd be driving right at his own big on the block - takes skill and decision-making abilities to do that consistently.

Passing won't help because passing the ball from an open player to a covered one is pointless.
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Yes, there is - he is WIDE OPEN. He can try to drive, true, and probably should, but in most cases, he'd be driving right at his own big on the block - takes skill and decision-making abilities to do that consistently.

Passing won't help because passing the ball from an open player to a covered one is pointless.
If he is wide open I have no problem with him shooting, he had a TS% last year of .520. Thats good enough for me, Tayshawn Price was .516 for comparison.
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What's TS%?

Also, wouldn't you rather see Kapono shooting uncontested jumpers than Moon?
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Old 07-29-2008, 11:29 AM   #38 (permalink)
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Moon is funny when it comes to the choice he makes. He shoots way to much from outside and I think we all know that. However, I think like Mike has pointed out, if Moon drives, his own man (whether it be Bosh or O'Neal) will be under the basket. The Raptors need to run a pick and roll for Moon or some pick and cut that will get him close enough to the rim where he can make a good play.
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What's TS%?

Also, wouldn't you rather see Kapono shooting uncontested jumpers than Moon?
TS% is Total Shot Percentage.

He actually shot 48.5% from the feild and he only took 575 shots.

So yes I definately rather Kaps shooting but Moon doesnt take many bad shots and doesnt shoot that bad.

The question is, Does Moons betterment than Kaps defensively make up for Kaps betterment offensively?
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Old 07-29-2008, 11:44 AM   #40 (permalink)
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I think you guys are making a bit too much out of a starting spot.

Until one of them proves to be definitively more valuable than the other, the allocation of minutes will depend on matchups and who's hot.

More than likely, at this point, Moon is going to be seeing those key minutes because of defense. Against teams like Philly, Boston, and Orlando, we'll need Moon out there defending Iguodala, Pierce, Lewis, Turk or whoever.

But if Kapono has proven to be hot, and he's hit shots all game forcing the defense to pay close attention to him, he's going to get the nod despite being a little behind defensively (although, as was mentioned earlier, he's not bad in a team setting. just can't lock someone down one on one)

It'll go on a game by game basis until one of them proves he's the go to guy, which may not happen at all. It's not like Sam has to plan allotted numbers of minutes for the two of them prior to the season.
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