Rosen: Will injured stars be able to shine again?

Dr. J. Naismith · 09-12-2008, 04:13 PM

Ugh ... JO playing soft is something we definitely won't benefit from. I hope JO doesn't change too much what made him successful.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Charley Rosen

Jermaine O'Neal, C, Toronto Raptors (knee)

He's another guy who's been down with various miseries on a routine basis, missing 122 games in the last four seasons. Perhaps that's why he no longer wants to bang with the other bigs in the low post. If he's determined to play soft, then he'll stay healthy but will forfeit a huge part of his value.

Whichever way O'Neal decides to play, the odds of his staying healthy and becoming a major factor in Toronto's season are 3:1.

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Gurk · 09-12-2008, 04:21 PM

Bullshit
Slow news so they just made up some random bullshit and put it up

canada_rocks2369 · 09-12-2008, 05:00 PM

I haven't watched many (or any) Pacers games lately but I have heard people say that he's falling more and more in love with the jumpshot but that's probably because he was playing on one leg. Hopefully it's not a trend and that now that he's supposedly healthy maybe he'll be willing to bang a little bit. As long as he stays on the court through the playoffs I'm happy. He'll definitely be an improvement over Rasho and I'm sure come playoff time he'd be willing to do the dirty work.

jeffb · 09-12-2008, 05:54 PM

I've heard broadcasters say he was soft and disapears in the 4th quarter quite a few times anyway.But i said this the other day,JO is playing for his next contract (Maybe his last) starting this season.And often times as a large contract starts winding down they start playing like they deserve their large paycheck.JO will have a good season IMO.

canada_rocks2369 · 09-12-2008, 06:38 PM

I don't think he's playing for a contract this season. He could get extended next summer but I very highly doubt it because he's so valuable as a $20mil expiring contract and has such health concerns. Next season he'll be playing for a contract. This year is more to show if he can stay healthy and still contribute.

canada_rocks2369 · 09-12-2008, 06:50 PM

And even if he disappears in the 4th quarter its not that big of an issue because we have lots of offensive weapons. If healthy, JO will always be considered a threat by opposing defenses. Even if he's struggling he's not a liability on offense and can help provide open looks for teammates. Let CB4 score in crunch time if JO can't get it done, he can still control a game on the defensive end. As long as he's blocking shots and drawing charges, we'll be fine.

moremilk · 09-12-2008, 07:28 PM

This is the common complaint with all/most superstars bigs, the same has been said about CB4, Garnett etc. The reality is that at the end of games, opposing teams will pack the middle when playing against a player like that, making it very difficult to score. That's why we will need at some point a star wing, exactly for those moments.

**Claudius** · 09-12-2008, 07:32 PM

Hell, offensively I don't care what he does. He can disappear all he wants on the offensive front. It's all about his focus on the defensive end. If he disappears on the defensive end during the end of games then I'll be concerned. However, because we really haven't had a problem scoring, I'm not concerned if he "disappears".

LX · 09-12-2008, 07:42 PM

When he was playing at around 100 percent healthy, he could impact any game in crunch time. The beautiful thing about this guy is that he knows it's not just about filling the net. Now whether that knowledge can pay-off is what we'll have to see, along with how much he is able to click with the other four guys on the court.

Kirby · 09-12-2008, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Claudius

Hell, offensively I don't care what he does. He can disappear all he wants on the offensive front. It's all about his focus on the defensive end. If he disappears on the defensive end during the end of games then I'll be concerned. However, because we really haven't had a problem scoring, I'm not concerned if he "disappears".

He's here for Offense AND Defense. I care.
Don't take him like some offensively challenged shitbox. He's a good scorer and he will score.

dfunkie1 · 09-12-2008, 08:13 PM

JO is here for defense first, offense second. he's supposed to anchor down the post on defense, grab some rebounds, and challenge some shots. on offense we're just hoping he fits and stays near the basket.

i still look at this team w/o a second option because thats how little i expect from JO offensively. yes, he has the ability to score 20 point a game there's no denying that. i just want his energy spent on the other side of the floor.

jeffb · 09-12-2008, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by canada_rocks2369

I don't think he's playing for a contract this season. He could get extended next summer but I very highly doubt it because he's so valuable as a $20mil expiring contract and has such health concerns. Next season he'll be playing for a contract. This year is more to show if he can stay healthy and still contribute.

Oh yes he is.Another injured season and that would be five straight.He needs to string 2 relatively uninjured seasons together to ease GM's doubts about his issues.

Gurk · 09-12-2008, 08:23 PM

Yea he can't have one injured one and the other not ijured one to get is contract

Superjudge · 09-12-2008, 11:11 PM

Oneal is a gamer

tried to play on a torn meniscus.

its fixed

fuck the media, Oneal was on an unbeatable Indiana Squad before the knee.

Ugo Ferst · 09-13-2008, 12:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Superjudge

Oneal is a gamer

tried to play on a torn meniscus.

its fixed

fuck the media, Oneal was on an unbeatable Indiana Squad before the knee.

Unbeatable as in every year they got beaten? lol

canada_rocks2369 · 09-13-2008, 02:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeffb

Oh yes he is.Another injured season and that would be five straight.He needs to string 2 relatively uninjured seasons together to ease GM's doubts about his issues.

I said that this season is about staying healthy for him, just that its not a contract year (cuz theres no way he gets extended next summer) so he doesnt necessarily have to try and dominate, especially with so much firepower on the team. I definitely agree that hes gotta prove that he can stay relatively healthy to get a decent contract in 2 years, but I was talking more about from a performance aspect this season his contract wont really affect his play. By all rights he should be really motivated this season anyway regardless of his contract situation so its not really even worth discussing.

m5racer · 09-13-2008, 02:21 PM

he got that team to the confrence finals so better then anything we have ever seen here in toronto.

Apollo · 09-13-2008, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by gurkang

Bullshit
Slow news so they just made up some random bullshit and put it up

Well its all opinion. Its not random, its something that is possible and with the season approaching its only natural that we talk about the impact Jermaine may or may not make.

I don't agree with him either but I understand what he's saying. At the same time though Charlie Rosen is always hard on the Raptors so there is no surprise here.

jumplvlan23 · 09-13-2008, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Ugo Ferst

Unbeatable as in every year they got beaten? lol

Unbeatable as in they had the best record in the league the season before the brawl.

The brawl was THE MAJOR turning point in Indiana's fortunes.

Superjudge · 09-14-2008, 09:00 AM

Heh, did O'Neal ever tag that chump who came running at him. KAPOW!

09-12-2008, 06:50 PM	#6 (permalink)
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09-12-2008, 04:21 PM	#2 (permalink)
Gurk is dead inside you ain't bout that life Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 20,619 Representing:	Bullshit Slow news so they just made up some random bullshit and put it up

09-12-2008, 05:00 PM	#3 (permalink)
canada_rocks2369 from Canada and it rocks Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Grande Prairie, AB Posts: 142 Representing:	I haven't watched many (or any) Pacers games lately but I have heard people say that he's falling more and more in love with the jumpshot but that's probably because he was playing on one leg. Hopefully it's not a trend and that now that he's supposedly healthy maybe he'll be willing to bang a little bit. As long as he stays on the court through the playoffs I'm happy. He'll definitely be an improvement over Rasho and I'm sure come playoff time he'd be willing to do the dirty work.

09-12-2008, 05:54 PM	#4 (permalink)
jeffb is praying Ross makes us forget Drummomd so people stop whining Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: YO MAMMA Posts: 69,498 Representing:	I've heard broadcasters say he was soft and disapears in the 4th quarter quite a few times anyway.But i said this the other day,JO is playing for his next contract (Maybe his last) starting this season.And often times as a large contract starts winding down they start playing like they deserve their large paycheck.JO will have a good season IMO.

09-12-2008, 06:38 PM	#5 (permalink)
canada_rocks2369 from Canada and it rocks Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Grande Prairie, AB Posts: 142 Representing:	I don't think he's playing for a contract this season. He could get extended next summer but I very highly doubt it because he's so valuable as a $20mil expiring contract and has such health concerns. Next season he'll be playing for a contract. This year is more to show if he can stay healthy and still contribute.

09-12-2008, 07:28 PM	#7 (permalink)
moremilk whatever Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: toronto Posts: 8,840 Representing:	This is the common complaint with all/most superstars bigs, the same has been said about CB4, Garnett etc. The reality is that at the end of games, opposing teams will pack the middle when playing against a player like that, making it very difficult to score. That's why we will need at some point a star wing, exactly for those moments.

09-12-2008, 07:32 PM	#8 (permalink)
Claudius contemplating The Killing Joke Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Burkina Faso, Disputed Zone Posts: 9,959 Representing:	Hell, offensively I don't care what he does. He can disappear all he wants on the offensive front. It's all about his focus on the defensive end. If he disappears on the defensive end during the end of games then I'll be concerned. However, because we really haven't had a problem scoring, I'm not concerned if he "disappears".

09-12-2008, 07:42 PM	#9 (permalink)
LX Less is more. More or less. But mostly less. Or should that be more? In the Paint Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Toronto Posts: 26,550 Representing:	When he was playing at around 100 percent healthy, he could impact any game in crunch time. The beautiful thing about this guy is that he knows it's not just about filling the net. Now whether that knowledge can pay-off is what we'll have to see, along with how much he is able to click with the other four guys on the court.

09-12-2008, 08:13 PM	#11 (permalink)
dfunkie1 censored Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 5,774 Representing:	JO is here for defense first, offense second. he's supposed to anchor down the post on defense, grab some rebounds, and challenge some shots. on offense we're just hoping he fits and stays near the basket. i still look at this team w/o a second option because thats how little i expect from JO offensively. yes, he has the ability to score 20 point a game there's no denying that. i just want his energy spent on the other side of the floor.

09-12-2008, 08:23 PM	#13 (permalink)
Gurk is dead inside you ain't bout that life Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 20,619 Representing:	Yea he can't have one injured one and the other not ijured one to get is contract

09-12-2008, 11:11 PM	#14 (permalink)
Superjudge is pounding the rock! Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 17,593 Representing:	Oneal is a gamer tried to play on a torn meniscus. its fixed fuck the media, Oneal was on an unbeatable Indiana Squad before the knee.

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m5racer is..... Tai-Pan Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 2,719 Representing:	he got that team to the confrence finals so better then anything we have ever seen here in toronto.

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Superjudge is pounding the rock! Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 17,593 Representing:	Heh, did O'Neal ever tag that chump who came running at him. KAPOW!