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Rosen: "Triano's Been Angling For Sam's Job For Sometime"
Old 12-04-2008, 05:36 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Hmmm ... looks like someone's trying to stir the pot a bit here.

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Jay Triano is Canadian-born, coached his country's national team from 1998 to 2004 with considerable success, has been affiliated with the Toronto organization for the past seven years, and has been overtly and covertly angling for the Raptors head coaching job for quite some time. And because of his citizenship, Triano is also the people's choice.
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Old 12-04-2008, 05:36 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Rosen=pot stirrer


is that a word?
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I am happy for Jay but to say he is the peoples choice is not even close to the truth. Will be be happy for him sure but if Avery Johnson or another big name was hired in a week would anyone have said much? Not likely.
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Isn' Charlie Rosen the guy that always talks shit about the Raps????
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Isn' Charlie Rosen the guy that always talks shit about the Raps????
One of the many ... yes.
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His name ends with a vowel and he is canadian. Fete acomplis?
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I must say I'm a huge fan of Rosen. Saying that Triano has been "angling" for the head coaching job is a little far fetched but he does (as always) provide a lot of good insight in his articles.

For example his points on why he was fired are bang on to the point. Especially this one:

Even when he was relatively healthy, Jermaine O'Neal was not the savior that the front office expected him to be.
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I think the point about Sam not having any input into the roster was lame. But the disconnect between the toughness he wanted and the toughness that was never there (since Garbo got hurt) is a good point, and it would make anyone think that he had no input in the composition of the team.
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I think the point about Sam not having any input into the roster was lame. But the disconnect between the toughness he wanted and the toughness that was never there (since Garbo got hurt) is a good point, and it would make anyone think that he had no input in the composition of the team.
Thats the whole point. You can't really prove that Sam had "no input" in the roster so you can really just dismiss that point of the article. Rosen is very crafty on getting people to read his article. Some points very absurd but most of the body of his articles are very intelligent.
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Thats the whole point. You can't really prove that Sam had "no input" in the roster so you can really just dismiss that point of the article. Rosen is very crafty on getting people to read his article. Some points very absurd but most of the body of his articles are very intelligent.
I agree that he's a pretty astute critic, and just doesn't care about being 100 percent accurate with details. Taken with a grain of salt he's ok. Sometimes he just goes over the top though.

And Gurk - he doesn't just hate on the Raps - but everybody. He's fair enough that way.
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I agree that he's a pretty astute critic, and just doesn't care about being 100 percent accurate with details. Taken with a grain of salt he's ok. Sometimes he just goes over the top though.

And Gurk - he doesn't just hate on the Raps - but everybody. He's fair enough that way.
Yes he does go over the top on many comments but if you evaluate him by article instead of by comment he has a canny way on how to get his point across. I only wish I could prepare a body of work as readable as his.
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How the hell is this old clown still writing? Overtly and covertly angling for the job? Wtf? How would this 80 year old man who sits at a desk the entire day know if behind the scenes Triano was trying to somehow weasel his way into our head coaching position?

This is Marty York type material.
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i love it. it gives triano a chance to immediately show some nuts in the media.
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Mitchell had a lot of input in both JO's and Will's signing. I remember reading this summer how the JO move was a direct response of his complaints about the lack of toughness, veteran presence and defensive oriented players - well he got all three in one player. And while JO wasn't 100%, in the time he played, he provided all three. As for will, Sam was the one who gave the ok after having a tete-a-tete with Solomon, if he didn't want him, all he had to do is say that the guy is not a fit for his system.
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after reading the article, I'm not getting his point. He says that we should expect the Raptors to be slightly better than before, with Triano. So if an assistant coach with no NBA head coaching experience can do a better job than Sam, what does it say about Sam's abilities???? Is he dissing Sam in his article, is he dissing Jay, or both???
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Sam had a lot of input with the entire roster. For all we know the main reason he had to go was because he couldn't sign off on certain changes.

And obsessing about Sam's abilities is a little silly no? He achieved some shit, and most regrettably didn't make things happen in the playoffs as he needed to. Rosen mentions that the season is young, and I think that is the context that implies that there should be some slight improvement.
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the way I see it, slight improvement can mean only of the following 3 things:

1. triano is a better coach than sam
2. coaching doesn't really matter
3. triano will coach exactly like same, and because the season is young, we should be maybe slightly better or the same

Personally, I don't buy #3 on this list - there's no way Triano will not change the way we play significantly, not necessarily for the better, but at least it will be different. And #2 is ridiculous, so really, the only conclusion I can draw is that this guy think Triano is a better coach. I really have no idea if Triano can coach or not - and I'm pretty sure this guy has no idea either.

So my guess is that rosen is just talking for the sake of talking, another article written, another cheque cashed.
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How the hell is this old clown still writing? Overtly and covertly angling for the job? Wtf? How would this 80 year old man who sits at a desk the entire day know if behind the scenes Triano was trying to somehow weasel his way into our head coaching position?

This is Marty York type material.
I think thats going way too far. To be a critic of Rosen for being elderly and sitting in front of a desk is going way too far. I could critisize you the same way of just being a guy who posts on forums. Again as stated before Rosen actually has something of worth to say. His whole mandate of the article was to be a critic of the coach of the year award then his outlandish antics of everything else
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even so - unless you have some proof, I think it's pretty unprofessional to throw dirt at triano like that. I'm not sure what triano did to deserve this. He may or may not have any success, but to say that there was a whole plan behind this is kind of ridiculous imo.
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