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Old 03-03-2012, 06:13 PM   #121 (permalink)
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rondo has no shot, so hes pointless. His numbers have been deeply inflated due to the talent on the Celtics team. Talent we will never acquire because we never spend any money
So if he wasn't on the Celts he'd be shooting 40% and avging 8/3/5?
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Old 03-03-2012, 06:26 PM   #122 (permalink)
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Rondo doesn't fit here unless our wings can shoot the ball.
I present a scenario in which the raps could get Rondo and we would have decent wings.

Step A: DeRozan for Delfino + Milwaukee's pick.

Step 2: Draft Barnes with the raps' pick

Step 3: Draft Beal/Lamb with milwaukee's pick.

Step 4: Trade Jose, JJ, ED, Weem's nba rights, $ 3 million and next year's unprotected first rounder unprotected, our second rounder (2012), for Rondo + Stiesma (basically whatever's needed to make the salaries work). Add another second rounder if need be.

So, as we can see, the only way to get Rondo without sacrificing possibly the best asset (this year's pick) the raps have is to give them depth, $, etc. Rondo needs to be have good offensive options on his team to be effective. That is the thing many people have brought up. Also, I acknowledge that the probability of the above scenario happening is less likely than the Raptors not overpaying for somebody in free agency
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Old 03-03-2012, 06:28 PM   #123 (permalink)
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i think our best bet of getting a star Pg is to draft one, hopefully we will get lucky next year in the draft.
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Old 03-03-2012, 06:41 PM   #124 (permalink)
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i think our best bet of getting a star Pg is to draft one, hopefully we will get lucky next year in the draft.
There are no PG's in the upcoming draft, in the top 15 at least.
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Old 03-03-2012, 06:50 PM   #125 (permalink)
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There are no PG's in the upcoming draft, in the top 15 at least.
I think Kendall Marshall can be very good. But I said next year, I wasn't. Talking about this draft
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Old 03-03-2012, 06:54 PM   #126 (permalink)
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Kendall doesn't have rondos rebounding and defense. He'd prolly have harder time getting to the basket too.
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Rondo doesn't fit here unless our wings can shoot the ball.
I present a scenario in which the raps could get Rondo and we would have decent wings.

Step A: DeRozan for Delfino + Milwaukee's pick.

Step 2: Draft Barnes with the raps' pick

Step 3: Draft Beal/Lamb with milwaukee's pick.

Step 4: Trade Jose, JJ, ED, Weem's nba rights, $ 3 million and next year's unprotected first rounder unprotected, our second rounder (2012), for Rondo + Stiesma (basically whatever's needed to make the salaries work). Add another second rounder if need be.

So, as we can see, the only way to get Rondo without sacrificing possibly the best asset (this year's pick) the raps have is to give them depth, $, etc. Rondo needs to be have good offensive options on his team to be effective. That is the thing many people have brought up. Also, I acknowledge that the probability of the above scenario happening is less likely than the Raptors not overpaying for somebody in free agency
Why would Mil trade us the better SG and throw in a first rounder?
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Old 03-03-2012, 07:11 PM   #128 (permalink)
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Rondo doesn't fit here unless our wings can shoot the ball.
I present a scenario in which the raps could get Rondo and we would have decent wings.

Step A: DeRozan for Delfino + Milwaukee's pick.

Step 2: Draft Barnes with the raps' pick

Step 3: Draft Beal/Lamb with milwaukee's pick.

Step 4: Trade Jose, JJ, ED, Weem's nba rights, $ 3 million and next year's unprotected first rounder unprotected, our second rounder (2012), for Rondo + Stiesma (basically whatever's needed to make the salaries work). Add another second rounder if need be.

So, as we can see, the only way to get Rondo without sacrificing possibly the best asset (this year's pick) the raps have is to give them depth, $, etc. Rondo needs to be have good offensive options on his team to be effective. That is the thing many people have brought up. Also, I acknowledge that the probability of the above scenario happening is less likely than the Raptors not overpaying for somebody in free agency
Rondo is a building block.... not a final solution. If we go into next season with Bargs, JV and Rondo (plus a shooter acquired with our FA money) that's a good start towards building a playoff team.

I'm not expecting us to be world-beaters next season.

Besides... shooters are MUCH easier to obtain than star PGs who play D.
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Old 03-04-2012, 08:24 AM   #129 (permalink)
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The only way we get Rondo is if we trade Jose & our 1st round pick...
If that's truly all it would take we would have done it by now.
Unless we luck out and get a top 3 pick, our first overall isn't close to as valuable as Rondo would be going forward.

Rondo makes us an instant contender in the Atlantic, which should equal a relatively high playoff spot.
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Old 03-04-2012, 12:01 PM   #130 (permalink)
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I could see Rondo working well with Kleiza and Barbosa on the floor, but not with DD and JJ.
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Old 03-04-2012, 01:16 PM   #131 (permalink)
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i'm watching NYK@Celtics, and i was thinking about a trade :

rondo + pietrus
for
Barg + Bayless

i think we don't need to send a pick, so that's good going forward.
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Old 03-04-2012, 02:32 PM   #132 (permalink)
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i'm watching NYK@Celtics, and i was thinking about a trade :

rondo + pietrus
for
Barg + Bayless

i think we don't need to send a pick, so that's good going forward.
I don't like this trade, we're not getting enough in return.
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Old 03-04-2012, 03:19 PM   #133 (permalink)
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2 youngish players going to the celtics while the raps get 1 youngish player and a vet...
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Old 03-04-2012, 05:35 PM   #134 (permalink)
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After Rondo's beastly game today, I dont think they want to trade him anymore

18 points, 20 assists and a career-high 17 rebounds
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Old 03-04-2012, 06:44 PM   #135 (permalink)
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After Rondo's beastly game today, I dont think they want to trade him anymore

18 points, 20 assists and a career-high 17 rebounds
i was just about to post this.

I've been laughing at trade offers for rondo made by people in this forum for the past couple days and i was just waiting for something like this to happen. Hell, the man's had two triple doubles in 3 games! way to shutem up, jesus.
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Old 03-04-2012, 09:02 PM   #136 (permalink)
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Welp, so much for this.

After today's game we could probably offer Jose, Ed, DD AND our pick and Ainge would laugh in our faces.

I'll say this much... if Rondo's playing like this and he's "uncoachable" then the coach clearly needs to be fired... because he has no idea WTF is going on.
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Welp, so much for this.

After today's game we could probably offer Jose, Ed, DD AND our pick and Ainge would laugh in our faces.

I'll say this much... if Rondo's playing like this and he's "uncoachable" then the coach clearly needs to be fired... because he has no idea WTF is going on.
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Meaning Rondo's been playing the position perfectly and doing every little thing that it takes for his team to win.

Apparently the word on him is that he's "uncoachable".... if that's the case then I want to know what Doc Rivers is telling him to do that he ISN'T doing.
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If those stats are underwhelming for an NBA PG then you should take a moment and see how many OTHER PGs in the league are avging those numbers while shooting a decent % from the floor. As for the TOs... you're aware that Nash, Kobe, Wall, Williams and Westbrook all avg. more TOs/gm right?
rondo is not a bad shooter, he's a horrible shooter. His shooting percentages put him 37th in the league among all PGs. Sure, you can look at his FG% and think that's not too bad. But you also have to consider he's not shooting any 3 pointers and he's horrible from the line. He's also 43rd in the league among PGs in turnover ratio. All in all, stats wise he's only, barely, above Jose. Therefore, just by looking at the stats, you'd have to be crazy to trade jose and a high pick to get rondo.

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Today's NBA game favours small, quick players. Perimeter guys have a serious advantage. That much is certain.... so I'm not sure why you'd think that a guy who can harass those players isn't worth much. Did you see what a guy like Chalmers did to NYK and Lin?
not sure what your point is, everybody agrees that rondo is a great defender, probably top 3 among all PGs and could be #1 if he applied himself more. It's the other stuff that's worrying people (offense, character, inconsistency in effort and lack of team spirit).

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Prince was extremely valuable to DET's championship run. I agree 100%. Anyone who suggests otherwise simply because his stats don't jump off the page is an idiot.
I think you missed the point completely. Sure, Prince was a valuable piece .. would you have traded chris Bosh (#4 pick) for him in 2004? Better yet, would you have traded your top 5 lottery pick in the 2004 draft knowing you can get howard or okafor for prince? Because if your answer yes, than I'm not sure who deserves your qualifier more ...

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Parker is 4 or 5 years older. Doesn't really fit in our future plans.... unless we're sure that he can play as long as Nash has.
he would come for free though. And players like rondo tend to fade quickly before they hit 30. just look at devin harris.

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Different injuries. And unless you have proof to back up that point I'm not interested in blind speculation.
right, speculation has no place on a forum, we're only dealing with facts here

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Have you ever heard of a "strain" taking a player out for 50+ games?
no, but I seem to recall Bosh missing the last 10 games of the '06 season with a sprain thumb... we went 0-10 that stretch and ended up (with a bit of luck) with the #1 pick that draft. Of course, as you are not interested in speculation, this would be of no interest to you.


You should ask yourself, if he's so good, how come Boston keeps trying to trade him for 2 or 3 seasons now? How come Boston is barely above .500 despite having 3 hall of famers next to him? Sure, they're old, but they're miles ahead of our young starters. And then you have the historical trend of non-shooting PGs quickly fading before they hit 30, all the character issues, clashes with teammates and coaches and apparently lack of team spirit.

All in all, you are very confused about this whole argument. I don't have a major problem with rondo, he would be great here. But I would definitely not trade a high lottery pick (potentially #1) for somebody that comes with the question marks that rondo comes with. If Boston is willing to take Calderon and top 7 or 8 protected pick, than I would probably take a chance on him. Player who change teams are motivated and we could probably get 3 more productive seasons out of him. But if we give away our pick and it ends up into a dwight howard type of player, think how devastating that would be?
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Old 03-06-2012, 12:10 AM   #140 (permalink)
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After Rondo's beastly game today, I dont think they want to trade him anymore

18 points, 20 assists and a career-high 17 rebounds
by the same token, after deron's 57 point game, it's pretty obvious that he's the best PG ever, right?

one game won't change any GM's mind. Yes, rondo is capable of nights like this, and if he gave you that kind of effort every night, they wouldn't think of trading him. And yet, they DO want to trade him, and they've been wanting to do it for years now, even before they gave him the large contract.

The fact that
a. they want to trade their youngest star
b. they can't find any takers for him

should raise some alarm bells, don't you think?

Think of any other top 15 PG in this league, if he was on the trading block, how long do you think he would stay there?
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