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Old 03-01-2012, 09:33 PM   #81 (permalink)
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If we traded for Rondo and ended up with the number 1 pick, I think we'd all jump off cliffs.
easy solution, 1-protected

scratch that: 1-29 protected
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Old 03-01-2012, 10:06 PM   #82 (permalink)
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If we traded for Rondo and ended up with the number 1 pick, I think we'd all jump off cliffs.

Rondos a very good PG, but like others have said, his game will go way downhill once he loses some of his quickness, and who knows how he plays without big stars around him?

We cant trade our pick right now. Its suicide.
This is much ado about nothing.

Jose is currently avging 11/3/9 for us while playing with scrubs.... do you honestly think that Rondo won't be able to equal or better those numbers? While playing MUCH better D? Come on.

It's a trade that gives you an all-star in his prime... a PROVEN player... while giving up the small, small chance at a top 3 pick.

Sometimes, you have to gamble if you want a decent return.
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Old 03-01-2012, 10:15 PM   #83 (permalink)
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let's say we wait until after the lottery, and we come out with pick #7. does boston still have interest then? if you think they do, it's definitely worth the wait.
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Old 03-01-2012, 10:48 PM   #84 (permalink)
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Derozan - Rondo - J.Johnson as our perimeter players....teams will play an 0-5 zone
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Old 03-01-2012, 11:05 PM   #85 (permalink)
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You should actually combine the title of this thread with another one for a more accurate take:

"Rondo in Toronto? This is straight bullshit."
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Old 03-01-2012, 11:27 PM   #86 (permalink)
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I agree with the sentiment that Rondo is a product of playing with some great players, however, someone like Kidd can make other players around him great.
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This is much ado about nothing.

Jose is currently avging 11/3/9 for us while playing with scrubs.... do you honestly think that Rondo won't be able to equal or better those numbers? While playing MUCH better D? Come on.

It's a trade that gives you an all-star in his prime... a PROVEN player... while giving up the small, small chance at a top 3 pick.

Sometimes, you have to gamble if you want a decent return.
Problem is IMO we'd have to completely restructure our team especially the starting 5 to not be completely disjointed and just be plain ugly on offence. You cant start 3 guys who cant shoot the 3 at 1-3.

Obviously this would be a good thing, but how much longer would it take? Would Rondo want to stay if we had consecutive losing years?

Theres a lot of other things to factor in too. Though I do like the idea of Rondo and our bigs, I'd prefer tanking this year and waiting until draft day and see what we can do then. I couldnt handle an Irving situation with our pick turning in to Davis who then becomes the next great bigman franchise changer.
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Problem is IMO we'd have to completely restructure our team especially the starting 5 to not be completely disjointed and just be plain ugly on offence. You cant start 3 guys who cant shoot the 3 at 1-3.

Obviously this would be a good thing, but how much longer would it take? Would Rondo want to stay if we had consecutive losing years?

Theres a lot of other things to factor in too. Though I do like the idea of Rondo and our bigs, I'd prefer tanking this year and waiting until draft day and see what we can do then. I couldnt handle an Irving situation with our pick turning in to Davis who then becomes the next great bigman franchise changer.
he can't be. JV is alloted for that spot, oh and bargs. We have some fantastic front line don't we?!
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Whaaaaaat?

You do know that Rondo's an all-star and one of the league's top PGs right?

I like your optimism... but I think you're reaching just a bit.
yeah, rondo's an all star like granger and deng are all stars ... magloire too

if this turns out to be one of the best drafts in recent years in terms of depth, just take a look at the top 6 players drafted in the past 6-7 seasons (who were not complete duds - I trust BC not to draft a thabeet) and tell me you would not have 50% of those players ahead of rondo ... And the #1 pick is considered by most to be a franchise changer, the type of big man that comes once or twice a decade (think howard/duncan/shaq/robinson). Most of the youngish PGs today have been drafted top 6 (paul, deron, rose, westbrooke, rubio, wall, irving etc).

if we end up with a top 3 pick, it's almost a guarantee we could get a better guy than rondo.

I'm all for trying to get him, but if we tank a full season, the prize better be something more ...
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I agree with torap..you guys are nuts..if you can get him here(which i highly doubt we could) Id do it without hesitation. Rondo is a proven player in the nba and only 26. he's a special player. You need talented players if you want a chance at signing good free agents. But Instead you guys say No to rondo, a former allstar, probably not even at his prime yet and then lets cry about why we can't get any free agents to sign with our team of scrubs. Also saying that theres a 50% chance that we get a player better than rondo is nuts
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It's a trade that gives you an all-star in his prime... a PROVEN player... while giving up the small, small chance at a top 3 pick.
what do you mean small? It's quite high, we could easily finish with the 2nd worst record, especially if we trade Jose. Come on, you don't think we'll find a way to get both andrea and jose injured in the final 15-20 games if we really need it? Even the best AAs out there would not complain too loudly at that point.
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Old 03-02-2012, 12:42 AM   #93 (permalink)
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Problem is IMO we'd have to completely restructure our team especially the starting 5 to not be completely disjointed and just be plain ugly on offence. You cant start 3 guys who cant shoot the 3 at 1-3.

Obviously this would be a good thing, but how much longer would it take? Would Rondo want to stay if we had consecutive losing years?

Theres a lot of other things to factor in too. Though I do like the idea of Rondo and our bigs, I'd prefer tanking this year and waiting until draft day and see what we can do then. I couldnt handle an Irving situation with our pick turning in to Davis who then becomes the next great bigman franchise changer.
Since our starting 5 pretty much sucks, I have no problem doing that lol.

I'd also be banking on the idea that we could use our FA money to sign SOMEONE at either the 2 or the 3 spot who could shoot the ball.

I dunno about this Davis kid.... I haven't seen enough of him to make a call, but I'm not sure that I agree with the assertion that he's going to be the next Shaq/Blake/Duncan. Those guys came into the league with NBA-ready bodies and you could just TELL that they were clearly above the college game.... do you see that from Davis?

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what do you mean small? It's quite high, we could easily finish with the 2nd worst record, especially if we trade Jose. Come on, you don't think we'll find a way to get both andrea and jose injured in the final 15-20 games if we really need it? Even the best AAs out there would not complain too loudly at that point.
I've been watching Raptors ball for close to 2 decades now... and in all of that time I've RARELY seen anything that could be construed as "luck". And it's going to take some luck to finish with a top 3 pick.

LOL... if we just dump Jose and Bargs sits out the whole season with a strained calf I'd be shocked if Stern doesn't investigate us.

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Also saying that theres a 50% chance that we get a player better than rondo is nuts
Dude, check any draft in the past 6-7 years, almost without exception there will be 3 players better than rondo drafted in the top 6.

not counting this draft because it's too early (and discounting freak injuries), you have:

wall/cousins/favours
rubio/griffin/tyreke/harden
rose/westbrooke/love
oden/durant/horford
aldridge/roy
bogut/paul/deron
howard/
lebron/carmelo/bosh/wade

21 out of 48 players who already are or most likely will be better than rondo ever was. Go top 5 and it goes over 50%.
And this draft is supposed to be better than average, so that's even better chances.

we'd be a laughingstock if we'd trade our pick (even top 1 protected) for rondo.
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I've been watching Raptors ball for close to 2 decades now... and in all of that time I've RARELY seen anything that could be construed as "luck". And it's going to take some luck to finish with a top 3 pick.
that doesn't matter, if it's not rigged, it's random. If it's random, past results have no relevance to the future.
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LOL... if we just dump Jose and Bargs sits out the whole season with a strained calf I'd be shocked if Stern doesn't investigate us.
happens all the time, look back at years when there was supposed to be a really, really good pick coming ... how you gonna prove it? Everybody knows what the deal is, nobody has to *ask* the doctor not to give the green light, he knows what needs to be done without specific instructions

Even the players know, don't you think Calderon and Bargnani would rather sit the last 20 games with a phantom injury than to sweat their way through a few weeks of meaningless competition (especially when the payout is a potential elite teammate).
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Dude, check any draft in the past 6-7 years, almost without exception there will be 3 players better than rondo drafted in the top 6.

not counting this draft because it's too early (and discounting freak injuries), you have:

wall/cousins/favours
rubio/griffin/tyreke/harden
rose/westbrooke/love
oden/durant/horford
aldridge/roy
bogut/paul/deron
howard/
lebron/carmelo/bosh/wade

21 out of 48 players who already are or most likely will be better than rondo ever was. Go top 5 and it goes over 50%.
And this draft is supposed to be better than average, so that's even better chances.

we'd be a laughingstock if we'd trade our pick (even top 1 protected) for rondo.
If you think that Wall, Favours, Evans, Harden & Horford are better than Rondo then I don't know what to say.... even Aldridge and Bogut are debateable although I could understand why some might pick them because of their size.

Rondo's avging 14/5/10 + 1.5 stls right now.

He's a stellar defender.

He has a ring.

I think you need to re-evaluate your opinion of him TBH because it's HIGHLY unlikely that we see anyone better at the position for a while.

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that doesn't matter, if it's not rigged, it's random. If it's random, past results have no relevance to the future.

happens all the time, look back at years when there was supposed to be a really, really good pick coming ... how you gonna prove it? Everybody knows what the deal is, nobody has to *ask* the doctor not to give the green light, he knows what needs to be done without specific instructions

Even the players know, don't you think Calderon and Bargnani would rather sit the last 20 games with a phantom injury than to sweat their way through a few weeks of meaningless competition (especially when the payout is a potential elite teammate).
Honestly, if that were the case then I wouldn't want either of them on my team. I'd be pretty disgusted with them.

You can't tank year after year after YEAR and then suddenly just "turn it on" one year down the road when you're finally ready to start winning. That's not how it works.

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If you think that Wall, Favours, Evans, Harden & Horford are better than Rondo then I don't know what to say.... even Aldridge and Bogut are debateable although I could understand why some might pick them because of their size.

Rondo's avging 14/5/10 + 1.5 stls right now.

He's a stellar defender.

He has a ring.

I think you need to re-evaluate your opinion of him TBH because it's HIGHLY unlikely that we see anyone better at the position for a while.



Honestly, if that were the case then I wouldn't want either of them on my team. I'd be pretty disgusted with them.

You can't tank year after year after YEAR and then suddenly just "turn it on" one year down the road when you're finally ready to start winning. That's not how it works.
I agree with Torap on most of this stuff.... except Aldridge is better than Rondo. He's better than Bosh too! As for Bogut, looks like injuries are really slowing him down unfortunately. Even Horford could easily be considered better.... but maybe I just have an affinity to the bigs.
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I agree with Torap on most of this stuff.... except Aldridge is better than Rondo. He's better than Bosh too! As for Bogut, looks like injuries are really slowing him down unfortunately. Even Horford could easily be considered better.... but maybe I just have an affinity to the bigs.
I was gonna say the same thing - and Wall, Cousins, etc, are still very young and I would expect Wall at least to top out higher than Rondo.

It is just really hard to tell how much of Rondo is Rondo, and how much is the Boston big three.

Personally, my main concern is the attitude issues. If he's frustrated in Boston, I can't imagine he'll like it here. So I can't see giving up a pick that might be top 5 for him - although if our pick slips to, say, 8th overall I wouldn't have an issue with it - he is a good player.
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Really looking at it, I think Rondo, JV, AB could be a decent trio but JV would really need to be something special to turn the team into more than a playoff team. Also, whoever made the point about having zero perimeter shooting with Rondo makes a very valid point. It's the type of move that would force us to find a shooting guard to play shooting guard.
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Old 03-02-2012, 09:27 AM   #100 (permalink)
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Rondo is really good.. but if Raps were to get him, I would really miss Calderon, because Rondo can't shoot
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