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Old 03-01-2012, 05:15 PM   #41 (permalink)
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It's far from likely that we pick top 5.

Right now we're in 6th, which gives us a 6.3% chance at the first pick, a 7.1% chance at the second pick and a 8.1% chance at the third pick.

That makes it a 21.5% chance that we pick top 3 and a 78.5% chance that we pick sixth or worse.

And that's assuming we finish sixth last. We're a very short winning streak away from tenth last, and with Bargnani's return we could well be moving back even further in the draft.

I would say that there are four potential franchise guys in the draft (if MKG declares), after that there's some solid pros, borderline all stars, and some gambles as always. The four guys I would say are potential star players will probably be gone before we pick.

So, in short, I don't think that this years pick will ever be worth more in a trade than it is right now.
Point taken. Let's then try to tank harder and make sure we got a top-four pick.
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Old 03-01-2012, 05:18 PM   #42 (permalink)
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i just have alot of fear that if and when rondo gets traded you see alot different player
My read on the Celtics situation is that KG and Ray Allen don't seem like they're pushing for championships anymore.

Rondo can see that he's on a sinking ship, he's frustrated, and he wants out.

He could actually start playing much better on a team that's young and improving.

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Old 03-01-2012, 05:44 PM   #43 (permalink)
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there are other options and i think there is some decent looking young ins in the draft.

for less than that i think you could get curry.
for alot less than that jennings
wroten jr in the draft

i just have alot of fear that if and when rondo gets traded you see alot different player
Curry isn't going anywhere (I doubt it anyway).
Jennings.... meh.
Wroten Jr.... question mark. unproven commodity.

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With Jose, Davis, Amir and a pick we can get much more than Rondo.
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Old 03-01-2012, 05:46 PM   #44 (permalink)
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if we trade our pick to boston to get rondo, celts will definitely win top pick (courtesy of stern) since they need to rebuild (who cares about the hornets). bc should try trading with ainge using this point of view.

if we stick with our pick, it is likely not top 5 no matter how much worse raps play for the rest of the season
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Rondo would thrive here and it seems like boston isnt going into rebuild anytime soon so a vet jose in his prime + ed davis and our pick does seem reasonable and benefits both sides pretty well. Under caseys defence, and our uptempo group of guys, rondo might actually be a better fit here. We would however have no shooters, and opposing teams would clog lanes like no tomorrow
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Old 03-01-2012, 05:49 PM   #46 (permalink)
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You guys must be seeing something that i don't in Rondo. Don't get me wrong he is a great PG, but im not willing to give away that much. I think he is going to get much worse with age, because he is mainly rallying on his speed, and if that's gone there is nothing left from Rondo.
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Old 03-01-2012, 05:52 PM   #47 (permalink)
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also bc needs to tell ainge that ed davis can, no, WILL turn into a better version of perkins if he gets to play with garnett

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You guys must be seeing something that i don't in Rondo. Don't get me wrong he is a great PG, but im not willing to give away that much. I think he is going to get much worse with age, because he is mainly rallying on his speed, and if that's gone there is nothing left from Rondo.
What exactly would we be giving away?
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You guys must be seeing something that i don't in Rondo. Don't get me wrong he is a great PG, but im not willing to give away that much. I think he is going to get much worse with age, because he is mainly rallying on his speed, and if that's gone there is nothing left from Rondo.
Speed... smarts... defensive prowess... toughness... experience.

The guy's 26... not 36.
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Old 03-01-2012, 06:02 PM   #50 (permalink)
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What exactly would we be giving away?
Calderon+Amir+Davis+Pick for rondo and bass is too much IMO
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will not do it if it includes our pick, jose and ed davis and a future pick sure, but not this pick
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Calderon+Amir+Davis+Pick for rondo and bass is too much IMO
Keep the pick imo.
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With Jose, Davis, Amir and a pick we can get much more than Rondo.
It might even have landed us CP3
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Old 03-01-2012, 06:11 PM   #54 (permalink)
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Speed... smarts... defensive prowess... toughness... experience.

The guy's 26... not 36.
Well do you think he will be just as fast when he is 32 or so? What about Caldy he isn't fast and he will be fine for a long time, waaaaay better shooter, better passer, smarts, leadership. Not saying that Jose is better, but we can just give away some of our best players + our pick for a guy that will only improve+ our defense. Hell we have Bayless for that
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the more i look at the celtics the more i feel like rondo is their only valuable piece, he's basically the only guy on the team that they should keep if you think about the rest of their key players as they're all aging rapidly

the fact that rondo is the only piece worth keeping and yet they feel he should be the 1 to trade makes me 2nd guess his value
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You guys must be seeing something that i don't in Rondo. Don't get me wrong he is a great PG, but im not willing to give away that much. I think he is going to get much worse with age, because he is mainly rallying on his speed, and if that's gone there is nothing left from Rondo.
Among NBA PGs Rondo is a top 5 playmaker and top 5 defender.

His only weakness is his shooting, but if you can put some shooters around him it's not a huge issue.

I guess it depends on what you're looking for out of your PG, but if you want a floor general and a defensive leader you can't do much better than Rajon Rondo.

I think a good comparison can be made between Rondo and Jason Kidd.

They're both excellent at defense, rebounding, and as playmakers. Kidd has had a long and successful career doing those things well.

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Among NBA PGs Rondo is a top 5 playmaker and top 5 defender.

His only weakness is his shooting, but if you can put some shooters around him it's not a huge issue.

I guess it depends on what you're looking for out of your PG, but if you want a floor general and a defensive leader you can't do much better than Rajon Rondo.

I think a good comparison can be made between Rondo and Jason Kidd.

They're both excellent at defense, rebounding, and as playmakers. Kidd has had a long and successful career doing those things well.

man you cannot compare kidd and rondo at all.\

kidd has more triple double than anyone....


and in regards to playmaking, everyone knows kidd made everyone around him better, rondo is a product of better players around him.\

they both are excellent defenders though.
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Among NBA PGs Rondo is a top 5 playmaker and top 5 defender.

His only weakness is his shooting, but if you can put some shooters around him it's not a huge issue.

I guess it depends on what you're looking for out of your PG, but if you want a floor general and a defensive leader you can't do much better than Rajon Rondo.

I think a good comparison can be made between Rondo and Jason Kidd.

They're both excellent at defense, rebounding, and as playmakers. Kidd has had a long and successful career doing those things well.
I see the same things.

I guess we're in the minority though.
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Old 03-01-2012, 06:51 PM   #59 (permalink)
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Curry isn't going anywhere (I doubt it anyway).
Jennings.... meh.
Wroten Jr.... question mark. unproven commodity.



Like who?
question is though, what is better.

say....

jennings and demar and 2012 first round pick and amir

or

rondo
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Old 03-01-2012, 07:14 PM   #60 (permalink)
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I would not trade this year's pick for a guy of rondo's calibre. We will have at least 10% chance of drafting a superstar + probably at least 50% extra chance of getting a player better than rondo (and also much cheaper).

Just not worth it, and that's not even considering the character issues.

that being said, I would definitely trade jose + davis + gray + our 2013 pick for rondo and their 2013 pick.
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