RGM: Why the Raptors Have to Trade Chris Bosh This Summer.
Old 04-21-2009, 11:46 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Good post from supersub15 from the RealGM.

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You know that I like Chris Bosh as a player on the Raptors, so this is not a sky-is-falling post. It's just a look at the facts and how we have to deal Bosh before he bolts to greener pastures, leaving us with nothing as compensation.

1. It's up to management to provide Chris Bosh with a winning environment where he feels like he's part of a contender. Unfortunately, there is only one summer to do that and going from a 33-win season to contender status is usually reserved for teams with huge cap space and a #1 pick in a loaded draft. Unfortunately, we don't have either luxury. We are going to have minor tinkering with Delfino coming back, an MLE signing or two, and one lottery pick that needs 2-3 years to start producing dividends (or go bust). And if Marion is gone, then the task becomes even harder. Are playoffs a possibility? Absolutely. But I don't think making the playoffs and getting swept in the first round by Cleveland, Orlando or Boston is going to appease Bosh that much.

2. Even if we are able to reload with a genius trade or two, chances are that other bottom teams will have improved as well. If we admit that Cleveland, Boston, and Orlando (despite the possibility of losing Hedo Turkoglu) are the top 3 again next year, there are 5 other spots up for grabs in the East. Atlanta is guaranteed another one, which leaves 4 other spots for: Philadelphia, New Jersey, Toronto, New York, Chicago, Detroit, Indiana, Milwaukee, Miami, Charlotte, and Washington. All 11 teams have a chance, and it will be a dogfight just to reach the playoffs. Depending on moves made by each of these teams during the summer, I trust that a few of them will be better equipped than the Raptors to reach the playoffs: Washington, Indiana and Milwaukee will have their injured players back, and the Wizards will have a high pick to boot. After the Diaw/Bell trade, Charlotte had the sixth best defense in the league, which will be carried forward to next season with a full training camp under Larry Brown. If the Sixers can integrate Elton Brand to their run game, they are a lock for another playoff appearance. Chicago will have to make a decision about Gordon, which may or not affect their playoff chances. The rest of the teams were at about the same level as the Raptors. What I'm trying to say is the playoffs are not guaranteed, even if we turn the roster over.

3. Chris Bosh has not committed yet. It's his right, but his non-committal either way has the franchise hanging by a thread. Damned if you trade him, damned if you don't. In cases like these, I think one bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. If he walks for nothing, the Raptors' franchise is doomed for at least 5 years. We will go back to being the laughingstock of the league, and we'll be shunned by any and all name free agents. Getting a return on this HUGE investment is the best way for the franchise to rebuild on the fly. Obviously, you don't want a Gasol-like trade, and I'm sure Colangelo knows that.

4. Assuming that we stumble again during the first part of next season with Bosh, and that all signs point to another dismal season and his eventual departure, is it better to have a gun to your head when trading him at the trade deadline, or is it better to trade him in the summer when teams are reworking their rosters and the appearance of a Chris Bosh on the market will make them fall over each other to get him? I'll let you answer that.

6. While the difference in salary in free agency between what the Raptors can offer and what another team can offer is around $30M, the actual difference, after accounting for difference in taxes between Ontario and, say, Texas, would be closer to $23M. Add to it the fact that Chris Bosh can recoup the money by hitting free agency one year earlier, at age 29. Considering what top PFs are getting these days (think Elton Brand), he should be able to more than make all the lost money back. The money decision isn't as steep as originally thought it was.

For all these reasons, I think that the Toronto Raptors should trade Chris Bosh this offseason.

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Old 04-21-2009, 11:53 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Bosh/Banks for Beans/S Jax/Turiaf/1st round pick

I wouldn't take anything less than dat
players like him don't grow on trees
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Old 04-21-2009, 12:00 PM   #3 (permalink)
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u think Elton brand/ Barg would be a good
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Old 04-21-2009, 12:04 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Old 04-21-2009, 12:09 PM   #5 (permalink)
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is it better to have a gun to your head when trading him at the trade deadline, or is it better to trade him in the summer when teams are reworking their rosters and the appearance of a Chris Bosh on the market will make them fall over each other to get him?
That fact alone is enough to warrant a trade.
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Old 04-22-2009, 01:51 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Intention is good but still trading Bosh is stupid because you're not gonna get anything as good as him in return. Better wait for 2010. There'll be plenty good players available if he flies away.
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Old 04-22-2009, 02:22 AM   #7 (permalink)
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He brings up a good point about the East. There's a very good chance that if we keep Jose/Marion/Bosh/Bargs, even with more depth, we'll just pull a Leafs and get 9th, or end up in 7th or 8th and destroyed in round 1.

But he didn't even mention the most important part

Bosh and Bargnani aren't compatible for winning together and BC isn't trading his lover Bargs. Put those premises together and it comes to a valid conclusion: For us to be a winning team, Bosh must go! There's no way around it if you agree with both those statements, which I do.

Ftr I'd be supportive of trading Bargnani for Monta Ellis or Caron Butler if BC wasn't so attached to him, then finding a defensive C. In fact I'd probably prefer that. I just don't think BC has any chance of doing that, so that's why I push a Bosh trade

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Old 04-22-2009, 07:15 AM   #8 (permalink)
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Lol, everybody is so quick to jump the gun and say Bosh will leave when his contract expires. Because of the lack of support toward him staying, and every Toronto fan making up mock trades to get rid of him saying that he isn't compatible with our team, he probably WILL leave. Next year if Chris Bosh is gone you will look at a 20 win season. We're chasing the person we're trying to build a franchise on out of the city, rather than trying to get him to stay and continue building the franchise.

Why is everybody so keen to start over again when one season went wrong due to an injured pg and a bad experiment with JO. Do you really want to have to rebuild around a new player again, and then the same thing happen? Toronto fans, just ride it out, believe in your franchise player, believe in Chris Bosh to make the right decision.
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Let's trade Calderon+Kapono for Ricky Rubio+? during the draft.
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Guys Bosh can't leave except to Memphis - nobody else has cap space next year.
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Guys Bosh can't leave except to Memphis - nobody else has cap space next year.
Knicks, Sacramento, Miami all come to mind as well as Chicago
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Guys Bosh can't leave except to Memphis - nobody else has cap space next year.
It would have to be a trade (S&T). Therefore, assets/contracts would be coming to us in return. So, many teams can send us roughly 18-20Mil in contracts to match salaries.
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Knicks, Sacramento, Miami all come to mind as well as Chicago
All that would likely depend on the economics this year/next year and if the cap goes down.
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Old 04-22-2009, 07:58 PM   #14 (permalink)
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It doesn't matter i dont think BC won't trade Bosh because he's offering him an exestion this summer and although thats a smart move he's not ganna go and trade Bosh this summer because he doesnt execpt thats if he doesnt execpt
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Lol, everybody is so quick to jump the gun and say Bosh will leave when his contract expires. Because of the lack of support toward him staying, and every Toronto fan making up mock trades to get rid of him saying that he isn't compatible with our team, he probably WILL leave. Next year if Chris Bosh is gone you will look at a 20 win season. We're chasing the person we're trying to build a franchise on out of the city, rather than trying to get him to stay and continue building the franchise.

Why is everybody so keen to start over again when one season went wrong due to an injured pg and a bad experiment with JO. Do you really want to have to rebuild around a new player again, and then the same thing happen? Toronto fans, just ride it out, believe in your franchise player, believe in Chris Bosh to make the right decision.


I agree with you completely. One bad season and everyone is yelling trade Bosh now or we'll suck forever. trading Bosh is not the best option in my mind. I still believe that with the right with player additions, Bosh and Bargnani can still be very effective on the same team. Remember how garbo helped our team so much when he was on the team. I think if we can get someone like him next season raps will have a chance to do something special. Now i cant garentee that raps will get any better next season, but i can garentee this, if we trade bosh, raps will suck even more next season. What happens than? should we trade bagnani than, and restart all over again
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I agree with you completely. One bad season and everyone is yelling trade Bosh now or we'll suck forever. trading Bosh is not the best option in my mind. I still believe that with the right with player additions, Bosh and Bargnani can still be very effective on the same team. Remember how garbo helped our team so much when he was on the team. I think if we can get someone like him next season raps will have a chance to do something special. Now i cant garentee that raps will get any better next season, but i can garentee this, if we trade bosh, raps will suck even more next season. What happens than? should we trade bagnani than, and restart all over again
Exactly, I remember everybody having so much faith in him when the season went well, and then we have one bad season and every screams hell and wants him gone.

The trades I've seen for this all star player are ridiculous. Everybody wants him gone for average players. That would take out our main scorer who is the leader of the team for players who will probably make our record get worse and worse.

If Toronto fans are so quick to lose faith in the franchise player, we will NEVER win an NBA championship.

KEEP BOSH, SHOW HIM SUPPORT, MAYBE HE WILL STAY AND WE WILL BE A CONTENDER IN A COUPLE OF YEARS!
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I disagree wholeheartedly.

Its all about money and time.

the time has passed and now it is gonna cost too much money to keep him and build around him. It was tried already, and it failed.
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Why do you want them to get rid of your favourite player so badly?
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Why do you want them to get rid of your favourite player so badly?
I guess because its better to break up with, as oppossed to being broken up with.

Ive stated my case.
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Really?

Cause a real fan would support their guy instead of tearing him down on a daily basis.

Or maybe in an attempt to be cool around these parts you fell in with the wrong crowd and now you're trapped in the Bosh-Hater/Pro-Bargs Club and you lie awake at night and the only way you can think to get out of it is to post 500 nonsensical trades a day.
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