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Old 06-22-2012, 09:42 PM   #1 (permalink)
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By all accounts, from media outlets, fan reports and even from points of view from members of this very forum, this season was an unmitigated success (click here for Bryan Colangelo’s and Casey’s view). From a pessimistic July to an optimistic April 2012, Raptor fans could not and cannot wait for the rebuilding process to end, to add the necessary pieces and to begin the push towards the playoffs. For all intents and purposes, it was understood that the building was complete and the foundation was set based off the promising results of the past season.

However how successful was this season? Was this simply a mirage in a desert filled broken bodies and underachieving teams who could not cope with a shortened season? Are we essentially looking at fool’s gold? To answer these questions, you need to examine the data and the oddity of the shortened season.

First is to place this team and its competitors in perspective. This past season Toronto played and won 3 out of 4 games against Cleveland; won 2 of 4 games against Washington; caught a slumping Boston and Philadelphia team and won a meaningless game at the end of the season in an embarrassing display by the New jersey Nets of “not caring, let’s just end this” itis. The list of players who missed time this season to injury is staggering and reads almost as a who's who of NBA players: Derrick Rose, Dwight Howard, Paul Pierce, Deron Williams, Chauncey Billups to name just a few. Now, not all of them played against the Raptors, however, to provide some context to how ridiculous this season was, one must incorporate and mention the injuries and overall fatigue caused by schedule. Of course the Raptors weren’t immune to injuries as they missed Jose Calderon, Jerryd Bayless and Andrea Bargnani for large stretches of the season. However, you have to wonder, if the players weren’t thrust into such a ludicrous schedule would teams have been more healthy, thereby providing increased competition? Was this team fortunate in catching some teams at their season low points?
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Old 06-22-2012, 09:46 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Old 06-23-2012, 11:49 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Yes and no
We won more games than we should have, but we had our own share of injuries and the late season shutdown of our best players.

The effort and defensive improvements were undeniable too.

I still fear too many people think we are better than we are, inclusding colangelo. We still have a bottom 5 roster by quality and we should gather more assets before looking to add veteran players.
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Old 06-23-2012, 12:22 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Third worst team last year, loses their best player for more than half the season, loses their backup PG for almost half the season, Forbes had to play PG and a lack of a scorer at SF/C and we became respectable on the defensive end, winning over a third of our games. I don't care who we beat and what their circumstances were, that was impressive. With key injuries to this already shit lineup no way we probably should have had much more than 10 wins imo.
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Old 06-23-2012, 02:40 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Its the same team as year before, is improving our record fools gold? No player improved that much to warrant improvement in record.
Its Casey, he is responsible for more wins. Bring more talent in and we will be even better

No fools gold here, all legit
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Old 06-23-2012, 05:27 PM   #6 (permalink)
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DC was impressive but he can only do so much without talent. Although he is a mastermind at hiding horrid defensive players (Jose, DD, Bargs), if he has to start those 3 with a rookie C, he will have some problems.
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Yes and no
We won more games than we should have, but we had our own share of injuries and the late season shutdown of our best players.

The effort and defensive improvements were undeniable too.

I still fear too many people think we are better than we are, inclusding colangelo. We still have a bottom 5 roster by quality and we should gather more assets before looking to add veteran players.
Well, Iggy and Gay aren't veterans, Iggy is in his prime time and Gay given the chance here in Toronto could easily reach that level in a few seasons. You can't do everything with young players and if we would do a trade like that I think we would be fit in the middle +- just fine.
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You can win a fair number of games just playing hard and organized defensively. Even with scrubs. And in a season where everyone coasted to some extent due to the schedule, that effect was likely magnified.
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You can win a fair number of games just playing hard and organized defensively.
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Old 06-25-2012, 06:43 PM   #10 (permalink)
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its not like Raptors have the worst lineup in the nba,

we have some players with some serious flaws but end of hte day there still good player

bargnani,calderon, derozan,klieza, amir johnson, ed davis, barbosa, jj even bayless does some good things on the court

any one of these guys can step up and have a great game

you put a good coach behind that of course whre going to be competitive win a couple we shouldn't win, we had some good wins against some great teams this year
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I think when you read the article, it says to put it the success in context. Were the wins because we caught teams in the back to back to backs? How much did injuries factor into those wins.

Essentially ask yourself, if we had this team in a typical season, would we enjoy the same 'success' or would it be something more realistic to what he thought at the beginning of the season. It's a legitimate question to ask because if we aren't as good as we think we are, then we're rushing this process.
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Yeah - I think there was a definite positive change, but it's going to take some real upgrades to build upon that as far as wins go.
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Old 06-25-2012, 08:05 PM   #13 (permalink)
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I think when you read the article, it says to put it the success in context. Were the wins because we caught teams in the back to back to backs? How much did injuries factor into those wins.

Essentially ask yourself, if we had this team in a typical season, would we enjoy the same 'success' or would it be something more realistic to what he thought at the beginning of the season. It's a legitimate question to ask because if we aren't as good as we think we are, then we're rushing this process.
I find it interesting that you leave out an important part of the equation. Did Toronto catch a few teams tired, on back to backs, yep, and a few teams caught Toronto in the same scenario's, it balances out and makes it a moot point.

As for rookies making impact upon poor teams, obviously they do, the are drafted by the absolute worst teams. The ones going to the top teams don't get to play because they aren't needed, and for the most part, they aren't as good as the lottery picks. This isn't science man.

I don't blame you for being pessimistic man, its hard not to be, but sometimes, it does get better, and to be honest, I think this time, for Toronto were actually seeing a team on the rise. Slowly, but getting there the right way, with the right people.
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